April 8, 1930

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

About twothirds of the expense is incurred in connection with the work of the assembly and about one-third in connection with the work of the council and the commissions. There are travelling expenses, hotel expenses, and other incidental expenses.

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CON

Edmond Baird Ryckman

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RYCKMAN:

I really must request an answer, because vote 245 is set out as:

Expenses of Canadian delegates to the assembly, council and commissions of the League of Nations, $21,000.

I want to know who were the delegates and how much was paid to each one.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

The delegates were the Right Hon. Sir George Foster, the Hon. Philippe Roy, Miss Agnes Macphail, M.P. and Mr. Malcolm McLean, M.P. Probably I should have mentioned first Hon. Senator Dandurand, Hon. J. C. Elliott, and Hon. W. D. Euler. They composed the delegation to the last assembly. I cannot say at the moment who the delegates to the next assembly will be. Their expenses altogether amount to $12,000.

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CON

Edmond Baird Ryckman

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. RYCKMAN:

I should like to know how those expenses are distributed.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

As near as I can give my hon. friend the particulars, the expenses were: Senator Dandurand, $2,500; Hon. J. C. Elliott, $2,515.93; Hon. W. D. Euler, $2,000; Sir George Foster, $1,680; Hon. Philippe Roy, SS46;-of course Mr. Roy was in Europe at the time-Miss Agnes Macphail, $1,658; Mr. Malcolm McLean, $1,817. With, respect to the expenses of the three ministers the first mentioned I may say that in connection with the work of the league a custom prevails whereby each country extends some form of hospitality to representatives of other nations, the expenses incurred in connection therewith so far as Canada is concerned are distributed amongst the ministers who repre-

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sent Canada. That would account for the larger amounts charged against the ministers as compared with the other delegates.

iMr. WOODSWORTH: Before we pass from external affairs, although it does not come directly under this item, would the Prime Minister give us a statement with regard to our present relationship to Russia? How far have we established connections now that relations have been established between Great Britain and Russia? To be more specific, if, for example, a Canadian wishes to go to Russia can he obtain a passport here, or must he obtain it through the British authorities?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

So far as

relations between Canada and Russia are concerned, they are similar to those existing between Canada and any other country, other than those in which we have legations. We have legations only in the United States, France, and Japan; we have not legations, in nor do we receive diplomatic representatives from, any other countries than those three. Russia in that regard is in exactly the same relationship to Canada as, say, Italy or Austria or Germany.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Did we not break

our relationship with Russia?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

There had been a special diplomatic privilege given to Russia. That was discontinued. Russia at that time under a special treaty negotiated with Great Britain to which this country had become a party, had a position of advantage, diplomatically, relative to that granted to any other country. A change was made in that regard, as my hon. friend knows, when the treaty was abrogated. That, however, has left Russia, so far as receiving diplomatic missions by Canada is concerned, simply in the same position as any other country, save the three 1 have mentioned. If any one from Canada wishes to visit Russia he can obtain a passport from the passport office at Ottawa. To admit him to Russia, it would have to be vised, I believe, by Russian authorities.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

Is Russia represented at the League of Nations?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I think not.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I understood the leader of the opposition wished one item to be held over

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

It is the next item.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Regarding this

particular item, the hon. member for Leeds (Mr. Stewart) and the hon. member for Mel-fort (Mr. McLean) suggested there should be

a wider distribution of literature with respect to the league. I know of no way in which it can be done more effectively than by the League of Nations Society. Ordinary membership of the society costs only a dollar a year, but that does not pay the expenses incident to distributing the bulletins and other papers sent out to the ordinary members. The more help the government gives to the society the more they will be able to distribute this literature to their ordinary members. That is the cheapest and simplest way of securing that distribution.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Wednesday, April 9, 1930


April 8, 1930