June 14, 1929

LAB

Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

I wish to draw the attention of the Postmaster General to the very minute amount of $1,000 to compensate the widow of the late Thomas Jackson who was fatally wounded by bandits following the robbery of the Toronto and Fort William railway post office in train No. 4, near Parry Sound, Ontario, in August, 1928. Is that per annum or is it just a total amount?

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LAB

Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

It is a minute amount for a woman who lost her husband who was in the service when he was killed1 by a bandit. Just a few moments ago, under vote 373, we gave $1,200 to a man who lost an eye, and under vote 374 we gave $1,350 to a man who had sprained his knee. When we come to a man who lost his life, we give the widow $1,000 and that is all. I have no power to move to amend to make the amount $2,000, or I would do so. But I would be satisfied if it were ah annuity for $1,000. Surely such discrepancies as these should not occur.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

This was not an employee

of the government. The person unfortunately killed under these circumstances was not, at the time he was killed, engaged in protecting government property. The bandits, after holding up the train and stealing from it, stole an automobile in which they placed the property taken from the train. While escaping, they ditched the automobile close to a farm house. One of the bandits went to the farm house to get a team to haul the automobile out of the ditch. During the progress of the work of hauling the automobile out of the ditch, the man who got killed had gone with his son to help the bandits, not knowing that .they were such.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

I will explain. During the progress of hauling the automobile out of the ditch, those who owned the car and who had been following it up, came along. Two of the bandits escaped and one remained in the automobile. Shots were exchanged between those who owned the automobile and the two bandits who were hiding in the woods, and in the shooting this man was killed. The Ontario government, according to reports that I received, compensated the two brothers who owned the automobile, and the Canadian Pacific also gave them small amounts. When the matter was brought to my attention, in view of the fact that this farmer had been killed under such iciroumstanees and that others who had been wounded, 'had been paid small amounts ranging from $250 to $300, I felt that we should at least recognize the services rendered by the man who lost his life and I recommended an amount of $1,000.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Why is it

necessary to insert this item of $100,000 to provide for the readjustment of the salaries of certain postal employees in western Canada? Does the act not provide for that?

Supply-Governor General's Warrants

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

While this is statutory and the amount is fixed as an estimate of what it may cost, I consulted with the legal authorities and I was advised that the amount had to be inserted in the estimates and voted, because the statute reads: "Not to exceed

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

This could not be

in any way considered a second $100,000?

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

We seem to be

voting $100,000 in the act and another $100,000 in this estimate. To my lay mind I could not understand how they could tbe one and the same.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I raised the

same question at the time, and I was informed by the Department of Justice that the amount had to be voted.

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Item agreed to. Governor general's warrants, 1928-29-payment of expenses, Manitoba natural resources inquiry (governor general's warrant of August 1, 1928), $15,000.


UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What is the total cost

of the Manitoba natural resources commission?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I do not think it would be possible to give that information at the present time. The accounts are not all in as yet.

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Item agreed to. Governor general's warrants, 1928-29-to cover cost of testing cows and destroying such as are diseased (governor general's warrant of October 18, 1928), $100,000.


CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

Why is it

necessary to have a governor general's warrant for this purpose? I understand it has always been the policy of the department and the government to cover the cost of testing cows and destroying such as are diseased. Surely there must be an item in the estimates for the purpose. Why was it necessary so early after the session last year to have another amount provided b}7 governor general's warrant?

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James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

The question raised by my

hon. friend is on a parallel with the criticism made of the Minister of Agriculture the other night in connection with delay in the payment of compensation for cattle and swine destroyed under the act. It is only fair to the Minister of Agriculture to say that when he was preparing his estimates for last year, the treasury board reduced the estimate that he put in. In August or September the

Department of Agriculture represented to the treasury board that they wanted an additional $200,000 to meet compensation payments owing to an epidemic. AVe compromised by giving them $100,000.

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Item agreed to. Civil Service Commission-Contingencies - further amount required, including $1,500. to meet the cost of entertaining delegates to the National Assembly of Civil Service Commissions of the United States and Canada, which will he held in Ottawa in September, 1929, $16,500.


UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

I am not

going to delay the committee at all, but I wish at this stage simply to make a suggestion to the government. It arises out of the discussion that took place on the civil service and civil service matters this year, when we discovered that an apparent injustice is being worked on many people who apply for position and pass an examination. While the act provides for a reasonable probationary period, under a ruling of the Justice department the deputy ministers and the ministers have the power of dismissing without a fair trial the person appointed.

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June 14, 1929