June 13, 1929

LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

They are all qualified to perform any of these services, and they do so as the work fits in.

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PRO

William Russell Fansher

Progressive

Mr. FANSHER (Lambton):

Has the minister found any violations of the act of late years?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Yes, every time any restriction is imposed upon the public there are always violations of such acts. After the first six months or a year of operation, we endeavour to see that they do not get away with such violations without prosecutions being instituted.

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PRO

William Russell Fansher

Progressive

Mr. FANSHER (Lambton):

I am in sympathy with the remarks of the hon. member for Selkirk and I appreciate the sympathetic hearing that was given to him by the minister. This inspection might well be extended into other fields. I have in mind at

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the present time the steel products which are used by farmers for roofing and siding on farm buildings. Anyone driving through Ontario or the eastern provinces must have been struck by the fact that steel roofs that have been on a few years become rusty. There is a great loss to the farmers because these products are not made up to a certain standard. I just throw out the suggestion that this matter might be well looked into, as well as binder twine. 1 have had it drawn to my attention by many individual farmers and by agricultural representatives throughout Ontario that it is desirable that steps be taken to see that steel products are manufactured to a certain standard, and that they are properly galvanized.

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Item agreed to. For experiments in dehydration of fruits and vegetables, $29,000.


UFA

Edward Joseph Garland

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

I notice

that there has been an increase in this watered stock. I would like to know something about it.

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CON

Alexander Duncan McRae

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McRAE:

If we cut out the importation of some of the American fruits and vegetables we should not need so much dehydrated fruit, and the vote would be less.

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LIB

Malcolm McLean

Liberal

Mr. McLEAN (Melfort):

Is not this a provincial responsibility? We were told a little while ago what Ontario was doing in connection with its seed. I think this is something that the fruit-growing provinces ought to do for their own industry.

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Item agreed to. Live stock, including grants to exhibitions, feeder shows, etc., $1,530,000.


PRO

William Russell Fansher

Progressive

Mr. FANSHER (Last Mountain):

Why

is there an increase of $50,000 in this vote?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The work of the live stock branch and of the exhibition branch is constantly increasing. We have a large chain of exhibitions across Canada that seem to require greater expenditure to take care of them. We are continuing the class B fairs. The committee will remember that we discussed them last year. Part of this increase is due to the continuation of the twenty-two class B fairs. We are also giving assistance to various exhibitions in connection with their winter fairs.

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PRO

William Russell Fansher

Progressive

Mr. FANSHER (Last Mountain):

The

grants to the class B fairs will be continued?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Yes, to those already established.

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CON

William Ernest Tummon

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TUMMON:

Last year the minister

practically gave the house to understand that the grants to class B fairs would be discontinued, and for that reason a number of us who have class B fairs in our constituencies did not press for grants, but towards the end of the session in reply to a question by the hon. member for Argenteuil the minister said that he would reconsider the matter. I be-live the grants to the class B fairs have been paid during the past year. There are perhaps six fairs in Ontario that come within class B-Kingston, Belleville, Stratford, Peterborough, Lindsay, Renfrew. Of those six I think only Peterborough receives a grant. I submit that the other class B fairs are just as much entitled to the grant as Peterborough. It would save a lot of discussion if the minister would just say that he would treat all these class B fairs alike.

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CON

Alexander Duncan McRae

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McRAE:

Is the grant distributed with any regard to the percentage of population in the various provinces?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

We are trying to equalize it and have done so to some extent, but it is very difficult. For instance, no matter how you try to equalize it, Ontario gets the most because of the Toronto fair. That really does not belong to the province but is for the entire Dominion. Nevertheless, every province persists in pointing to Ontario and saying: Look at what Ontario is getting. I did take the stand last year as indicated by my hon. friend, but the government reconsidered the matter in view of the very strong feeling that seemed to exist especially in the prairie provinces. They seemed to take the ground that once a B fair always a B fair, so we considered it advisable to continue the grants to these B fairs, holding them down to the present incorporated institutions.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

How much are you giving them this year?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The same as last year, $1,500.

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CON

Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

We did expect that the minister would keep his word. We did not press the matter any further when he said last year that he would not continue the grants. Then he went west on a trip and afterwards changed his mind. It has caused a great deal of dissatisfaction throughout Ontario that notwithstanding the minister's statement he has carried on the policy that he affirmed he was going to discontinue. Further, when the minister says that Ontario is getting the largest grant, there is the fact

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that one place in Ontario gets the most of it and many other fairs receive nothing. The minister must admit that that policy cannot continue and that he must treat all alike. I think that in all he does he looks at things in a reasonable way, but there is no reason of any sort in a policy under which you give a grant to one class B fair and nothing to five or six other class B fairs. I ask the minister now if he cannot see that his policy is causing a great deal of dissatisfaction. All the rural population feel there is an injustice in this treatment, and I hope the minister will now say, "We will treat you all alike."

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

If we give to this

and that fair we shall not be aide to stop until we have covered every little hamlet in the Dominion.

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June 13, 1929