June 4, 1929

CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

What practical steps does the department take to see that the agreement is carried out?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Whenever there is complaint that it is not being observed, such complaint is investigated. The complaint goes first of all to the Minister of Labour, who guards very jealously the strict observance of the terms of the fair wage clauses.

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CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

The contract is one with the government and not with the men who are employed in connection with the work. The government is very careful to have proper inspection of the materials, of the mode of construction, and so forth, made by its own engineers. Surely, therefore, it is important that the workmen should be protected by a similar inspection with a view to insuring that they are paid a fair wage for the work they do. It would be a simple matter for some inspector, representing either the Department of Labour or the Department of Public Works, to see that the wages paid from time to time by the contractors to the workmen represent a reasonable return for their labour. If you wait until some complaint comes from the workmen themselves you may wait a long time, because the men who are employed on this work are probably afraid to complain for fear of being marked as labour agitators. I do think that the government should take more active steps than to

wait until a complaint is made before investigating. It would be quite possible to insist upon duplicate pay lists being filed with the department, so that if any question came up after the contract was completed an opportunity could be had for investigation. The other day I asked a question of the Minister of National Defence (Mr. Ralston) with reference to a contract that had gone through his department in connection with some improvements in the Lindsay arsenal, and to my surprise he told me he had.no information as to the amount which had been paid the various workmen employed in that work. The result is that now that the work is completed it is absolutely impossible to ascertain whether the suggestion made to me, that fair wages were not paid these employees, is justified; the matter cannot be examined into. This question is one of considerable importance to the workmen of the country, and further steps should be taken to see that they are properly paid.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

There is an official known as the fair wage officer, whose duty it is to make the very investigation to which my hon. friend has referred, and to see that the clauses are strictly observed.

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CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

Is there just one officer for the department, and does he examine carefully into all contracts?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

I believe there is more

than one officer .and I understand that close supervision is maintained over the different contracts.

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CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

Would it be possible to get

fiom that officer a report, annually or otherwise, as to what he actually does for the salary he receives?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Certainly.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

My hon. friend asked for

a return the other day which he said had been delayed. I took up the matter in my department and while I have not seen the return myself I understood from my deputy that it had been sent forward to the Secretary of State. I do not know whether or not it has been tabled, but I believe it will give my hon. friend the information he desires.

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CON

Edward Armour Peck

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PECK:

I just want to point out that at present it is impossible to find out how this work was carried on and whether proper payments were made to the working men. The minister stated he was unable to furnish the information.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I think the answer was

that he had not the information at hand here, but I think my hon. friend will find that the additional return will give him the information he desires.

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CON

George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

Does every contract contain a fair wage clause, and if so, does the minister remember offhand how it reads?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

I cannot say offhand; I

know the clause is submitted by the Department of Labour before it is included.

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CON

George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

Is there a clause regulating the number of hours also?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

I am not in a position to say offhand as to that.

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CON

George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

It seems to me that is an

important point; the eight hour day, or so many hours a week, is a matter of some importance to the men, and if there is such a clause in government contracts it seems to me the government in employing men themselves might very well insist upon similar conditions being adhered to. I understand that in the Hudson bay work the men are working ten hours a day and there is nothing to show that they are not working ten hours a day on other government work, which is against the spirit of the fair wage clause.

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LAB

Herbert Bealey Adshead

Labour

Mr. ADSHEAD:

The other day the minister furnished me with copies of the fair wage clauses, the one providing for a specific wage and the other for the fair wage prevailing in the locality. I suppose the government sees that these fair wage clauses are enforced.

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CON

George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

There is no doubt that sometimes 'the men are imposed upon by the contractor.

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CON

Sidney Cecil Robinson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROBINSON:

I would like to inquire

as to whether the granting of the franchise to the Detroit and Windsor Ferry Company, and also the franchise for the service from Detroit to Amherstburg and Bois Blanc island, come under this department?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

I cannot say definitely but I am under the impression that they do.

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June 4, 1929