May I ask the minister how many generals there are in his department? I memember some years ago there were twenty-three generals employed in the Department of National Defence for something like 3,000 men. In time of war one general was considered enough for a whole brigade, which was a little over 3,000 men, but in time of peace we had twenty-three generals on our payroll. I have never been able to find out just what they did. With reference to the remarks of the hon. member for Vancouver-Burrard, I do not wish to defend this department or any department which has increased the salaries of the deputies; but may I point out to my hon. friend that after all the chief of Staff is really a subordinate officer to the deputy minister?