May 10, 1929

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Murray MacLaren

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

I hope that will be sufficient. I am sure that the desire of the minister is to have the work carried out so that the result will be satisfactory, and I would ask him to request the engineer to look over that area again and consult with the people in the neighbourhood. There was a certain amount of dredging done but the work is of little value. Perhaps the additional work may correct that, but I think

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it would be well if the minister would instruct the engineer to interview the people who are using this shelter and obtain their views on the situation.

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

When we found that we did not have the additional request which the engineer had anticipated making, we issued instructions that a report be made as to what work will be required this year and as to whether or not it can be done out of the general vote. The hon. member is evidently under a misapprehension in thinking that because only S7,312.50 was spent last year out of an appropriation of $11,300, the work was not completed. The appropriation of $11,300 was based on a cost of $1 per yard for 11,250 yards, whereas the work was actually done at a cost of 65 cents per yard. The report from the engineer, which I take to be correct, shows that the work was well done.

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Murray MacLaren

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

That is not the view of the people who are trying to make use of this shelter, and I think that practical experience in a case of this kind is a very valuable test. I am under no misapprehension, as the minister thinks, because I was not considering the amount of money which was spent; my point is that the dredging has not been done in such a manner as to make the shelter suitable and available for the purposes intended. I am basing my views on the knowledge and experience of the men of the locality, who can give a very valuable, practical expression of opinion. I do not, however, want to say too much now, because I really think the minister intends to have something done. I would ask that, apart from the engineer's opinion and some soundings that have been taken, he consult with the men of the locality. They inform me that the work has not been done in accordance with the conditions of the locality so as to make it a serviceable, safe refuge.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Would my hon. friend mention anybody in the locality with whom he would suggest that I confer?

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Murray MacLaren

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

It is about a year since the people interested spoke to me in regard to the matter. I cannot give the names offhand, but I will look into it.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

My hon. friend and I

are endeavouring to arrive at the same goal; we want this work properly done. My information is as I have given it. If there is a complaint, none has come to the department. The only statement the department has is the report showing that the work not only is satisfactory, but has been done at a very low price. If my hon. friend will give me the

name of anybody he would like the engineer to confer with when he visits the locality,

I shall be glad to have him do so.

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Murray MacLaren

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

The people complained

to me, and I suppose when they did so they were depending upon me to bring the matter to the attention of the department, as I have done. It may take a few days but I shall be pleased to get some names and forward them to the minister.

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George Reginald Geary

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEARY:

Has the department dredged out the harbour and left a shoal outside guarding it?

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

What my hon. friend suggests is that further work be done around the edges. It is the work around the edges that, it is stated, has not been completed.

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Murray MacLaren

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

It is not quite that.

They say, first that the dredging has not gone near enough to the pier so that at low tide vessels cannot remain near the pier; and, second, that the dredging is being done in an irregular way so that there are hillocks through this space. If a boat happens to be anchored on the top of a hillock, it may turn over when the tide goes down.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

Unfortunately I was not

in the house when the item with respect to Escuminac was under consideration. I think it was some days ago that it was under discussion, and I have not been able to find it in Hansard. I should like to know what is the situation at Escuminac. It may be recalled that this work was started, I think as long ago as 1924-25, and that we have been since then making annual votes of about $50,000. This year I notice an amount of $40,000 is being required, and I should like to know whether this completes the work or just where we stand. My information is that what was predicted in the house some years ago has actually happened, namely, that no breakwater can be built at that point and remain there because of ice conditions. I have information now to the effect that the ice has actually lifted the works; that they are more or less of a wreck, and that the contractors are greatly exercised as to who is to bear the loss. Would the minister give a comprehensive statement as to the situation?

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

This amount is required

to complete the work now under contract.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

That is only the part

under contract. Of course this has been built, as the minister knows, in sections, one contract for each section. How much more is to be required in addition to this $40,000 to complete the whole work as projected? My recollection is that the minister's colleague,

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the Minister of Health, who was Minister of Public Works at the time the project was undertaken, stated that this work was to cost a quarter of a million dollars. Nearly all, if not all, of that amount must have been voted by the house. That is the first point I should like to have elucidated.

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

My hon. friend is quite right in stating that the work was to be done in sections. The last section is the one for which this $40,000 is required; this will complete the contract for that section. Of this amount, $23,000 is a revote. There is no appropriation at the present time for any further section or for any further portion.

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

How many more units are to be built in order to complete the whole project which, I understand, originally consisted of five different units?

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

The original project evidently contemplated doing eventually all that is shown in red and yellow on the map that I have under my hand. My hon. friend has no doubt seen it.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

The parts marked in red on the map have been contracted for, and this is to complete the last part of what is marked in red.

. Mr. HANSON: Contracted for?

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John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Yes; they were thought to be the most urgent. No contract has so far oeen entered into for the balance, and no estimate has been inserted for it. The work

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Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

I quite agree. I should like to know how much, including this appropriation, will 'be expended, and also how much money will be required, according to the engineer's estimate, to build the portion which has not yet been contracted for?

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May 10, 1929