May 1, 1929

INDUSTRIAL AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE


Mr. CAMERON R. McINTOSH (North Battleford) presented the second report of the select standing committee on industrial and international relations as follows: Wednesday, May 1st, 1929. The select standing committee on industrial and international relations beg leave to present the following as their second report: \our committee has had under consideration ,Allon adopted by the house on February 14th, 1929, as follows: That the committee on industrial and international relations be authorized to investigate and report on insurance against unemployment, sickness and invalidity. The following witnesses appeared before your committee to give evidence on the subject matter ot investigation: A. Grant Fleming, M.D., Professor of Public Health and Preventive Medicine, Montreal: J. G. Fitzgerald, Professor of Hygiene and Preventive Medicine, University of Toronto; Gerald H. Brown, Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, Ottawa; R. A. Rigg, Director of Employment Service of Canada, Ottawa; Andrew D. Watson, Dominion Department of Insurance, Ottawa; W. Stewart Edwards, Deputy Minister of Justice, Ottawa; Robert H. Coats, Dominion Statistician, Ottawa. Industrial Relations Committee Dr. Grant Fleming and Dr. Fitzgerald gave evidence dealing specially with sickness insurance. . 1. Your committee would reaffirm the position taken in the final report adopted on June 6th of last session, namely: That your committee accept and endorse the principle of unemployment insurance, based on compulsory contributions derived from the state, employer and employees. , 2. Your committee recognizes that, while it is highly desirable that such legislation should be uniform in all the provinces, and while social insurance has a federal aspect, nevertheless, according to the Department of Justice, under our constitution legislative jurisdiction in relation to the establishment of a compulsory system of unemployment insurance is vested exclusively in the provincial legislatures. 3. Your committee finds that the provinces, on being consulted by the Department of Labour with regard to their attitude towards the establishment of a general scheme, do not appear to be prepared to take immediate action. 4. Under these circumstances, your committee submits the following recommendations: (a) That with regard to sickness insurance, the Department of Pensions and National Health be requested to initiate a comprehensive survey of the field of public health, with special reference to a national health program. In this, it is believed that it would be possible to secure the cooperation of the provincial and municipal health departments, as well as the organized medical profession. (b) That in the forthcoming census, provision should be made for the securing of the fullest possible data regarding the extent of unemployment and sickness, and that this should be compiled and published at as early a date as possible. . (c) That the federal government be requested to bring the subject matter of this reference before the next federal-provincial conference; and your committee suggests, when the agenda for such a conference is being arranged that the provincial governments be invited to send representatives of the employer and employee to discuss the subject matter of this report. Your committee further recommends that 750 copies in English and 200 copies in French of this report, and the evidence upon which it is based, be printed in blue book form, and that standing order No. 64 be suspended in relation thereto. All of which is respectfully submitted. (Sgd.) Cameron R. McIntosh, Chairman.


LAB

Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. HEAPS:

May I ask a question arising out of the report? When will the chairman of the committee move its adoption?

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LIB

Cameron Ross McIntosh

Liberal

Mr. McINTOSH:

I intend to ask the house on Friday to adopt the report. Notice of motion will be given to-morrow.

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ROYAL ASSENT

LIB

POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT


PAPERS TABLED RESPECTING VARIOUS: POSTMASTERSHIPS


LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Hon. P. J. VENIOT (Postmaster General):

I beg to lay on the table the reports asked for by the hon. member for Royal (Mr. Jones) with reference to posbmasterships at Shanklin, Forks, Jemseg, and Jordan Mountain, N.B.

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LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. FERNAND RINFRET (Secretary of State):

I wish to table copies of documents in possession of the Civil Service Commission relating to the postmastership at Hawkesbury,. Ontario. Concerning this report I may say that it is the last of the files requested by hon.. members on the other side to complete the files already tabled by the Postmaster General (Mr. Yeniot) with reference to certain postmasterships. In certain cases the Civil Service Commission have pointed out that the files tabled were already complete and that they had no documents to add thereto.

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REPORTS OF COMMITTEES

PUBLIC ACCOUNTS


The house resumed, from Thursday, April 25, consideration of the motion of Mr. Parent for concurrence in the second report of the select standing committee on public accounts.


LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Liberal

Mr. S. W. JACOBS (Cartier):

On Thursday last a report was presented to this house by the hon. member for Quebec West (Mr. Parent) from the public accounts committee, in which it was asked that the powers of the committee be enlarged in order to include certain items which are not contained in the Auditor General's report for the year 1928. I may say that the only matter before the public accounts committee at the present moment is the Auditor General's report which was referred to it on motion of the Minister of Finance in February of this year.

In the course of the discussion in the public accounts committee it was found desirable to investigate certain items, not in the current Auditor's General's report, and inasmuch as we felt that we did not have the power to grant this request it was thought advisable to refer the matter to this house, which is the creator of the public accounts committee, in order that the house might give us the necessary instructions. There seems to have been a protracted debate on this question, as I note by Hansard, all parties agreeing that

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these items should be investigated, with some thinking it was unnecessary and others believing it advisable to obtain authority from this house in view of the fact that a precedent was being created. There seemed to be a general consensus of opinion that if an item appearing in the report of this year which related to previous years could be traced back, it could be investigated and discussed, and that being the case we agreed to accept this suggestion of the house, which was very helpful to us and which put an end to our difficulty. However, there appear to be certain items in the Auditor General's report for the year 1927 which I understand are not related to anything in the report of this year; consequently we thought it would be advisable to obtain authority to investigate these particular items. Although only certain items were asked for, the committee, in its desire to give the inquisitors, if I may use the term, the fullest latitude, thought it well to request that the entire report of the Auditor General for last year too be brought down in order that we might have it before us. Hon. gentlemen *opposite asked for only two or three items, but we felt that it would not be fair to those *who are conducting the inquisition to limit them to those items; we felt that that would not be enough. They asked for one little loaf and one little fish but we are willing to multiply that by the five thousand items in the report so that every hungry member on the other side may be satisfied.

That being the case, Mr. Speaker, I ask that the report presented on March 24 by the hon. member for Quebec South be adopted.

Motion (Mr. Parent), agreed to.

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STANDING ORDERS


Mr. PAUL MERCIER (St. Henri) for Mr. Morin (Saint Hyacinthe-Rouville) moved: That the third and fourth reports of the select standing committee on standing orders, which were presented to the house on the 23rd of April, as set forth at page 290 of the votes and proceedings, be concurred in. Motion agreed to.


QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk).


BOYS IN PENITENTIARIES

CON

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. How many boys under eighteen years of age detained in penitentiaries of Canada are first offenders?

2. What were the offences for which they were punished by penitentiary confinement?

3. How many came from institutions of detention under provincial control?

Mr. Lapointe:

1. 40.

2.

Manslaughter 3

Breaking, entering and theft 17

Theft 5

Indecent assault 1

False pretences 1

Forgery and uttering 1

Robbery with violence 2

Theft from mails and burglary.. .. 1

Theft of automobile 2

Sending letters of threats 1

Robbery from person 1

Shopbreaking and theft 2

Breaking, entering, stealing and burglary 2

Shopbreaking, theft of auto, garagebreaking and theft 1

3. 26.

NATIONAL DEFENCE-EXPENDITURE .

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May 1, 1929