April 30, 1929

LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

I say that it took place in July, 1926, during the time that the so-called I do not mean that in an offensive way- shadow government was in power; that was before I took charge of the department. Reference to the records will show that any arrangements or negotiations which took place with Griffith as to his becoming personally responsible to the department or to the financial branch of the department for any part of the defalcation took place long before I had anything to do with the department at all.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

It took place in December, 1926.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

It started long before that. He had visited this office and had made re-

ports. He had said that this man was a poor man but expected to be able to get someone to go guarantee for him by the endorsing or signing of a joint note, and he mentions the Hon. Fred McGee. Mr. McGee's name is dragged into this case because the postmaster expected that he would have Mr. McGee endorse a note for him so that he could make good.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The minister realizes

that the Hon. Fred McGee's name is not mentioned. I said "Mr." McGee, and also said that I did not know who he was.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

I know who he is, because I made inquiries and found out.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I did not know.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

It is the Hon. Fred

McGee who is mentioned there. He had no connection with the post office at all and I desire to clear his name after it has been dragged into this case.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

There is not the slightest reflection on Mr. McGee.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

It is not a reflection, it

is just a remark.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

The hon. leader of the

opposition states that Griffith is a thief, that Griffith embezzled and used for his own purposes public moneys which he had acquired and for which he had made no returns to the department until after he had held it for a certain period. If the record is correct-I believe it is as the hon. gentleman has read it-rightly or wrongly Griffith was allowed by the financial department, then in charge of Mr. Glover, to become guarantor for the full amount of the defalcations, which amounted to over $900. During a period of months he collected certain amounts and every cent of the money collected by him was paid into the Post Office Department and the department has received full credit for it.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Not until after he was

charged with defalcation.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

He was never charged with stealing.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Charged with defalcation.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

He was never charged with defalcation.

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CON
LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

Nor did the superintendent ever report him for defalcation, and the records will bear out that statement. When Mr. Woods drew his attention to the fact that he had collected certain moneys which he

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had not reimbursed to the Post Office Department, Mr. Griffith came back with the statement that Mr. Woods must have known of the arrangement made between him and Mr. Glover, that he was guarantor for the amount of money. I do not say that he was right in doing that, but he did collect certain amounts and placed them to his own credit, and when that reached a certain amount he would pay it over to the Post Office Department.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

When he was caught he

had to borrow the money to pay it.

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LIB

Peter John Veniot (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. VENIOT:

There is no evidence of

that.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

There is evidence.

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LIB

April 30, 1929