April 30, 1929


Hon. J. A. ROBB (Minister of Finance) moved that the house go into committee of ways and means. Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Johnston in the chair.


LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB moved:

Resolved, that towards making good the supply granted to His Majesty on account oi certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1930, the sum of $15,825,161.25 be granted out of the consolidated revenue fund of Canada.

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Motion agreed to. Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred [DOT] in. Mr. Robb thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 172, for granting to His Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of the financial year ending the 31st March, 1930. Motion agreed to and bill read the first time. Mr. ROBB moved the secc-d reading of the bill.


CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. R. B. BENNETT (Leader of the Opposition):

We who sit to the left of the Speaker believe that this form of legislation is bad. We do not believe that money for the railway services of the country should be voted through a supply bill, because taxation is not resorted to, so far as the Minister of Finance (Mr. Robb) is concerned, to raise the money, and the money is not granted to His Majesty in the narrow and technical sense of that term. I am making this observation so that when the matter is before the house

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for discussion, the granting of this supply, which, as I undestand it, is necessary in the public interest, shall not prejudice our right to object to the principle of the supply bill or the details of the measure itself.

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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time, considered in committee, reported, read the third time and passed.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS- BRANCH LINES QUEBEC ORIENTAL AND ATLANTIC, QUEBEC AND WESTERN RAILWAYS


Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister of Railways and Canals) moved that the house go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved, that it is expedient to provide that the Canadian National Railway Company may purchase the undertakings and railways of the Quebec Oriental Railway and the Atlantic, Quebec and Western Railway, at a price of approximately $3,500,000; and that the governor in council may guarantee the principal and interest of securities to be issued for this purpose by the Canadian National Railway Company, not exceeding in aggregate face value such amount as the governor in council may consider sufficient to raise the said sum. He said: Perhaps I might make a brief general statement as to the method of dealing with all these financial resolutions which appear in my name.


CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

As the hon. gentleman

has three of them and desires to advance them a stage to-night, if he intends to have the house go into committee of the whole on the bills-

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Yes, after they come

back from the railway committee. I intend to ask the house to submit all these bills to the railway committee.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The special committee

or the general committee?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The general committee. The special committee is not enpowered to deal with such matters as these.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

I should be glad to

assist the hon. gentleman in advancing his legislation to that point, provided that when the bills are before the committee of the whole, we have the fullest opportunity of discussing them on their merits, which discussion, strictly speaking should take place before.

I understand it will be advancing the business of the house if the hon. member proceeds in the way he suggests.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I am quite willing to

accede to the suggestion of the hon. member.

Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Johnston in the chair.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I have a brief statement covering the two railways which serve the Gaspe peninsula, and it is my intention to ask that these bills be referred to the committee on railways, canals and telegraph lines to the end that officers of the company may give full information regarding the negotiations. The negotiations in all of the cases at present under discussion were undertaken as a result of what transpired at the last Dominion-provincial conference with reference to the acquisition of various lines of railway in different parts of Canada. The whole of the negotiations have been undertaken with the respective parties, in some cases the provinces themselves, by the management of the Canadian National Railways, who, after reaching tentative agreements with the owners, have in every case convinced the government of the merit of the proposals having regard to all the circumstances. These matters can be gone into very thoroughly before -the committee on railways and canals, and in addition I shall be pleased to encourage the fullest discussion when the bills come back from that committee to the house.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

May I ask a question in regard to this particular resolution, No. 20, dealing with the Quebec Oriental and the Atlantic, Quebec and Western railways? Was a report made previously, about 1923, 1924 or 1925, I am not sure just when, by the management of the Canadian National Railways in regard to the purchase of this line, which report was adverse to the purchase? If so, will that report be laid before the house or before the committee?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Numerous reports in connection with the Gaspe railways were made by the former management of the Intercolonial, and one, I believe, by the Board of Railway Commissioners, who at one stage investigated the whole matter. There is a report, not going so far back I think as my hon. friend mentions, which was adverse to the purchase of the road by the Canadian National Railway, while setting upon the road a higher value than that for which it is now proposed to acquire it. There was no question of the road not being physically worth the amount here provided, but the report was adverse viewed purely from the Canadian National traffic standpoint, and having regard to the traffic which the Canadian National was then receiving from the road.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

May we have that report laid on the table?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Certainly. The report

will be made available to the railway committee, and if necessary I will table it also.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I am not a member oi that committee, so I would like the report made available here.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I will see that my hon. friend sees the report.

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April 30, 1929