June 8, 1928

UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

I think that is correct; but does the Minister of the Interior mean to tell parliament that, if we bring a man out here from the old country with fine promises made by the soldier settlement board, claiming that they know land, and that they are expert appraisers; if after two years, we place him on a farm; if after five years' effort hopeless failure results, and it is demonstrated that the land is no good, we are going to say that the responsibility is on the settler and that the soldier settlement board, in spite of its protestations through its advertising in the old land as to the protection it is going to give to the settler, has no responsibility in the matter at all?

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Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

I do not say that.

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LIB-PRO

Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

There are many contradictions between the statement I get from our supervisor and the superintendent at Edmonton and the statement made by the hon. member. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. I am willing to make a full investigation into this case and if any hardship has been suffered by the returned soldier, and if anything can be done to help him, I am willing to do what I can. The record I have is not very good.

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An hon. MEMBER:

Read the record.

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Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

There is a statement that the cows had not been milked for five days. No man can succeed under conditions of that kind.

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Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

That is the flimsy kind of excuse that the board must resort to. Any man who has farmed on the prairies or in bush country knows that he will lose cattle and horses for five days or even three weeks in spite of his best care. That shows just the futility and poverty of the excuses they advance as to why this man has failed. Another statement was that there was scattered around his field some grain that he had not raked up by hand apparently and there were a few manure piles around the yard. There is not a farmer in the west who

does not have that and they all know what it is to have one's neighbour's stock break through one's fences in the fall and scatter one's stooks around. Everyone has that experience every year. Those are the three excuses given by the soldier settlement board as reasons which I should believe why this man's failure is due to himself and not to the poverty of the farm on which he has been placed.

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Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

I do not see what more we can do. I will endeavour to secure some other information; but Mr. Johnson, the superintendent at Edmonton, I have found to be a very reliable man and not liable to do anything rash.

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Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

Mr. Johnson has been superintendent for only a short time.

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Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

I am willing to make further investigations and if I find any injustice has been done, in fact if he has lost money, I am quite willing to assist him a little. There are limits beyond which it is not advisable to go, because sometimes it is really the kindest thing to tell a man who has got into an impossible position that the best thing for him is to give up the whole undertaking. I do not know what the situation is in this case and I am going to have an investigation made. My whole attitude towards the returned soldiers has been that of desiring to help them in every way, and especially in their farming operations. I have listened to the remarks made by the hon. member; I will take them into consideration, and I will try to get some outside information to help me to come to a conclusion in the matter.

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Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

I will show him around. I think it would be a kindness to Chinn to have this thing cleared up sooner or later. I think he ought to be willing to take out what money he has in the farm because he is just wasting his time where he is.

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Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

We will take the matter into consideration if there is any chance of his succeeding at all.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Carried.

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UFA

Alfred Speakman

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPEAKMAN:

No, the minister has already undertaken to give a statement, while this item is under consideration, as to the process of revaluation.

Great Lakes and Power Company

Mr. FOlRKE: Yes. I should like to make a reply to t'he hon. member for Fraser Valley (Mr. Barber). I know something about the troubles of which he speaks. There has been a good deal of correspondence and I am satisfied that it must be looked into. I advised the chairman of the land settlement board that the matter had to be investigated. We are sending out Major Ashton, one of the commissioners, immediately to investigate the whole matter, to meet those people, to find out what their troubles are and to make a report to me on the situation.

At six o'clock the Speaker resumed the chair and the house took recess.

After Recess

The house resumed at eight o'clock. PRIVATE BILLS

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GREAT LAKES AND ATLANTIC CANAL AND POWER COMPANY, LIMITED


On the order: The house resumed, from May 11, consideration of the motion of Mr. Denis (Joliette) for the second reading of Bill No. 152, respecting the Great Lakes and Atlantic Canal and Power Company, Limited. Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister of Railways and Canals). Mr. Speaker, the last time this bill was before the house it was quite apparent that it was contentious. In fact, some members were opposing the second reading. I usually adopt the attitude in connection with bills destined for the railway committee that they are entitled to go there in order that the promoters may be there in person and be heard, but in view of the fact that this bill, even if it got to the committee, could not possibly receive adequate consideration during this session, I would suggest to the sponsor of the bill that it might as well be allowed to stand. No advantage can be gained by proceeding further with it, and it would only take up the time of the house to continue the debate on the second reading.


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Jean-Joseph Denis

Mr. J. J. DENIS (Joliette):

In view of

the request now made by the Minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Dunning), I would ask that this bill be allowed to stand.

Bill stands.

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BELL TELEPHONE COMPANY OF CANADA

June 8, 1928