May 9, 1928

QUESTION PASSED AS ORDER FOR RETURN

CON

Mr. CHURCH:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Have any lawyers or law firms been employed by the Dominion government, or any departments thereof, in the city of Toronto during the fiscal year 1926-27?

2. If so: (a) by what departments; (b) who are those lawyers or firms; (c) what were the nature and extent of the services rendered; (d) what remuneration was paid in each case?

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Subtopic:   QUESTION PASSED AS ORDER FOR RETURN
Sub-subtopic:   GOVERNMENT COUNSEL IN TORONTO
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UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR PAPERS

UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPENCER:

For a return of exhibits containing the forty reports and documents bearing the signature

Validation of Orders in Council

of Richard A. McClymont. which were given to Mr. Alexander Smith, K.C., royal commissioner, by the Department of the Interior for investigation.

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Subtopic:   UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Sub-subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR-INVESTIGATION OF ALEXANDER SMITH, K.C.
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UFA

Henry Elvins Spencer

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. SPENCER:

For a copy of the evidence, exhibits and correspondence in connection with the investigation held recently before Mr. Alexander Smith, K..C., royal commissioner, appointed to enquire into certain charges made by one Richard A. McClymont, with regard to the Department of the Interior.

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Subtopic:   UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Sub-subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR-INVESTIGATION OF ALEXANDER SMITH, K.C.
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AMHERSTBURG PUBLIC BUILDING-CARETAKER

CON

Eccles James Gott

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GOTT:

For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and communications of any kind, relating to the vacancy of caretaker of the government building at Amherstburg, Ontario, and the appointment by the civil service commission of a successor. Also a copy of all papers and documents preceding and subsequent to the supposed appointment, and subsequent correspondence and recommendation by any one, of any other person for the position, whether under the civil service or another department of state.

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Subtopic:   AMHERSTBURG PUBLIC BUILDING-CARETAKER
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VALIDATION OF ORDERS IN COUNCIL

LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES STEWART (Minister of the Interior) moved:

That the following orders in council, laid on the table on the twenty-seventh day of January, 1928, be approved:-[DOT]

Orders in council which have been published in the Canada Gazette between 11th November, 1926, and 20th December, 1927, in accordance with the provisions of section 77 of the Dominion Lands Act, chapter 20, 1908;

Orders in council which have been published in the Canada Gazette between the 11th November, 1926, and the 20th December, 1927, in accordance with the provisions of the Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Act, section 19, chapter 10, 1911;

Orders in council which have been published in the Canada Gazette and in the British Columbia Gazette between the 11th November, 1926, and the 20th December, 1927, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (d) of section 38 of the regulations for the survey, administration, disposal and management of Dominion lands within the 40-mile railway belt in the province of British Columbia.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. R. B. BENNETT (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I cannot think

it was ever the purpose of parliament, when enacting the statutes to which reference has been made, that this house should merely give approval to orders in council about which it knows nothing. The orders in council should either be in a schedule to be approved, or the orders in council themselves should be available beyond merely laying them on the table at the beginning of the session. But leaving that aside for the moment, I direct the attention of the minister to the faet that this parliament should not under any circumstances be asked to give approval to an order in council that appears in the British ColumfMr. Spencer.1

bia Gazette. I think the Minister of Justice (Mr. Lapointe) will agree with me that the practice is not only bad, but highly improper that this government should be asked to give approval to an order in council from the British Columbia Gazette without at least having the order in council before us in order that we may deal with it.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

They are

in both Gazettes.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

Yes, but it says:

Orders in council which have been published in the Canada Gazette and in the British Columbia Gazette between the 11th November, 1926, and the 20th December, 1927, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (d) of section 38 of the regulations.

There is nothing here to indicate what these orders in council were except that they referred to the administration of what is known as the railway belt, and under those circumstances, the orders in council in the British Columbia Gazette not being before us-

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

They were

placed on the table.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The ones published in

our Gazette were placed on the table, but the orders in council published in the British Columbia Gazette were not.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

They are

the same.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

It does not make any

difference. We are being asked to approve something that appeared in the British Columbia Gazette, over which we have no control, and which Gazette is not laid upon this table. It is the form of the resolution that I am pointing out is wrong, and I suggest that it stand and be modified to meet what I conceive to be the correct constitutional practice, namely, that this parliament should not endeavour to approve any order in council issued by any authority other than the authority that speaks in the right of the crown of the Dominion. That is the constitutional practice.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

It is done

merely to notify the people of British Columbia. The lands in question and the administration of these acts are under the jurisdiction of the federal government, and the orders in council are published in the Canada Gazette, but in order that the people of British Columbia may have an opportunity of seeing what is being done, they are also published in the British Columbia Gazette.

Ascension Day Adjournment

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The minister surely

realizes that you do not say, in dealing with orders in council that affect Alberta or Saskatchewan-at all events you have not done it heretofore-

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

No, for the

very good reason that we have only a very small portion of the lands of British Columbia, the railway belt and the Peace River block.

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CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

And you should have

only a very small portion in Alberta.

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May 9, 1928