March 15, 1928

LAB

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Labour

1. Under whose authority is the Royal Mint

operated?

2. Who makes the appointments?

3. Who pays the cost of operation?

4. What was the cost of operation last year?

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Subtopic:   ROYAL MINT
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LIB

Mr. ROBB: (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

1. Authority was given for the establishment of the Ottawa branch of the Royal Mint by royal proclamation dated 2nd November, 1907, and the operations of the Ottawa mint are conducted in accordance with the provisions of the proclamation referred to.

2. The Lords Commisisoners of His Majesty's Treasury.

3. Government of Canada.

4. 1926, $184,481.45.

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PRIVILEGE-MR. CAHAN


On the orders of the day:


CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. C. H. CAHAN (St. Lawrence-St. George):

As a private member, and acting

in that capacity only, I wish to call the attention of the house to what I regard as a matter of privilege, because it seems to me, subject to your opinion, Mr. Speaker, to be a breach of or infringement upon the established rules and practices of this house. I refer to pages 1301 to 1320 of the Com-

mons' Hansard for March 13, 1928, containing tabulated statements presented to the house by the Prime Minister during the course of the debate on the amendments to the motion to go into committee of ways and means. I do not wish to deal at length with the previous decision of the house, in which decision the Prime Minister concurred, as reported on pages 619 and 620 of Hansard of February 20, in regard to the matter which was brought to the attention of the house by the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Woodsworth). I do not wish to object to the nature of the information which is very useful and serviceable to hon. members, but which I think could be brought to the attention of the house only by being laid upon the table as a financial statement emanating from either the Department of Finance or the Department of National Revenue. I am drawing this matter to the attention of the house because I think it is a breach of our rules and practices, and if it is to be persisted in, members on both sides, who have in the same circumstances exactly the same rights and privileges as the Prime Minister himself, will exercise that privilege, if it is to be established and recognized, in a way that will preclude the proper course of debate in this house, especially when such statements are presented in the closing part of the debate. I think it is a breach of privilege and I call it to Your Honour's attention.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I should like to assure my hon. friend that the last offence of which I would wish to be guilty is a breach of the privileges of this house. I thought I was guarding against anything of that character when I asked the permission of the house to place on Hansard a somewhat lengthy statement with regard to Which there was some discussion before the assent of the house was given to the request. Having received what I took to be the assent of the house I did hand the statement to Hansard.

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CON
CON

Richard Bedford Bennett (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT:

The house did not give

its consent.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My hon. friend says: "The house did not give its consent." The house gave its consent at any rate by acquiescing. May I say however to my hon. friend, as I intimated in the course of the discussion, that I was quite prepared, if the house wished me to do so, to read the statement rather than to have it presented in tabulated form. It contains very useful and accurate information and as such was given to

Ways and Means-Customs Tariff

the house for the purpose of enabling hon. members to read for themselves something which they could perhaps appreciate more readily by reading than by hearing it read. I hope I have not offended, but I will say to my hon. friend that I will keep his counsel in mind and endeavour not to offend in the future.

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CON
LIB
UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

What was the amount

imported under this item last year, and who will benefit by this reduction?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. A. ROBB (Minister of Finance):

Hitherto there has been no separate classification for this article. The United States rate is 10 per cent, and the reason for the change is that provision is made under their statute for a duty equal to that imposed by any other country against the United States product; for example, under the old rates, their tariff on the Canadian product would be 25 per cent. We are reducing our rate, and the United States rate will be reduced correspondingly upon our product going into their market.

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UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

Who will get the chief

benefit of this reduction?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

The Canadians who are employed in this industry will benefit very largely by the reduction, we hope.

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Prior to the date of this

new tariff, had there been importations of pulp board in rolls, coming under item 192a, from the United States or from Great Britain? Is there competition from the United States and Great Britain?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Perhaps my hon. friend did

not hear the previous explanation. There is no separate classification whereby we can determine the imports of this particular product, but perhaps my hon. friend will be interested to hear that we are making this change at the request of the gentlemen who are engaged in this business in Canada. They say it will enable them to get into the United States market, where they will have a corresponding reduction in the tariff rate.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

What is the minimum

duty in the United States at the present time?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Ten per cent, but their rate

will be made Whatever ours is.

1350 COMMONS

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CON

Charles Hazlitt Cahan

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CAHAN:

Is that clear that their

rate will be whatever ours is?

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March 15, 1928