April 8, 1927

CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

Let me tell the hon. minister that there were nights last winter when the majority of us could not be in our seats. We remained here for a period of six months steadily, and this item slipped through one night when very few of us who were concerned were here.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING :

Does my hon. friend still insist that this item was slipped through in his absence purposely, or does he withdraw that insinuation? Let us have a square deal.

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Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

I do

not say that it was slipped through for that purpose, but there are times when estimates are being put through and we ought to be made acquainted with what is coming up on that particular day. I was not aware until I came to the House that evening that these estimates were under consideration. I had asked another hon. member if he would not hold these estimates up for a time if they should come up, and I did not have an op-

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po-rtunity to speak. Had I been in the House when the vote came up I would have objected to it. I cannot understand why this $12,000 is to be paid this contractor. I know the location; it is within a few feet of my own door, and I feel that this extra amount of $12,000 should never have been paid to the contractor.

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Item agreed to. Trent canal-improvements (revote $83,000), $239,000.


UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

What are these amounts for?

Mr.DUNNING: The details are as follows:

Item A.-Eastern Division

1. Construction of lock gates.. $16,000

2. Dredging

25,0003. Extension to lock aprons

2,5004. Dam, Elliotts Falls-Gull River.. 4,0005. New concrete dam at Hawk riverlogslide

16,0006. Dam at outlet of Big Bear Lake.. 1,2007. Rebuilding and repairs to reservoir dams (revote $9,000) .. .. 10,0008. Reconstructing wharf at Gore'sLanding

4,0009. Miscellaneous (Revote)

2,700

B.-Severn Division

10. Staff on construction

52,00011. Young's Point section (Revote).. 5,00012. Dam at Lock No. 23 (Revote) .. 10,00013. Dam at Lock No. 24 (Revote $51,-900)

65,00014. Cement

12,00015. House for Operator, Marine Ry.Swift Rapids

4,50016. Removal of rock and other excavated material

4,00017. Miscellaneous and unforeseen (Revote $5,000)

6,000

I can give the details of each of the foregoing items if my hon. friend desires further information. I should say that we get a revenue from the power developed on the Trent canal, as on all our other canals, when the head of water is developed as a result of works erected by the Dominion for navigation purposes.

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UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

It will be interesting to know what the income is from power produced on the canal, if you have it handy.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

For one year it amounted to $95,31722.

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UFA

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. KENNEDY:

What is the significance in the headings in the estimates, "chargeable to capital" and "chargeable to income"?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

That has relation to an old government accounting system. I wish my hon. friend would ask that question some

time of the Minister of Finance. I know what capital is, I think I know what income is. I am not entirely familiar with the distinction in the Dominion accounting as used in this sense. It has to do with a system of accounting in the Finance department which has no relationship to the business of our department.

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Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

From whom do you receive the revenue for the power developed on the canal?

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Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Principally from Hydro Electric of Ontario. There is a little revenue also from rent for water lots, transmission, telephone lines, and so on. There are some private lessees, but the Hydro Electric Com-' mission of Ontario is the largest lessee.

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Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

What is the agreement with the Hydro?

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Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

They pay our standard

rental of $4 per home-power, or $2 in other cases, dfepending on the class.

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Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

Has this department or the Hydro done the work?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The Hydro, of course,

build their own plant for utilizing the head of water which our works create. We build the dam.

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Item agreed to. Welland canal, improvements (revote, $18,000), $95,500.


UFA

Robert Gardiner

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. GARDINER:

Is this for improvements on the present Welland canal?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

Yes. It is just a question of maintaining the present canal to carry the tremendous traffic. We passed 5,500 ships through it Ihst year.

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Item agreed to. Board of Railway Commissioners for Canada, maintenance and operation of, including the salary of A. D. Cartwright, secretary of the board, at $6,000, $263,440.


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April 8, 1927