April 8, 1927

LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

This is interest on theitem included in the estimates last year, which was not paid owing to the fact that the estimates were not passed.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

Might

I ask the minister what his claim is?

Supply-Railways and Canals

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I am afraid I have not

the data with me here, because it was dealt with very fully in the estimates of last year; I remember giving an explanation at that time. This is simply interest on the money not paid because last year's estimates were not voted. I have here the engineer's report; shall I read it all to my hon. friends?

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CON
LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

It is a lengthy history,

covering about three pages. The claim of the contractors was $46,820 and the amount of payment provided for in last year's estimates was $12,629.72. Each item of the claim is reviewed, according to the information I have, and either allowed or disallowed, or reduced, as the case may be. Perhaps my hon. friend would save the time of the committee by coming round to the office, and I should be glad to let him see all the documents connected with it.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

Was this work tendered for, and if so, what was the amount of the lowest tender?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

The amount of the tender was $56,819.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

Was

that amount supposed to cover the entire work?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

That depends upon

whether the quantities estimated by the engineers turn out as anticipated, which of course seldom happens in under-water work.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

How was it that $12,000 was allowed this company after the government had entered into a contract with them for $56,000?

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

In order to answer that

question I will have to read a memorandum I have here, which is as follows:

The discrepancy between the original estimate of cost and the final amount paid is explained as follows: When the survey was made on which the original estimate was based, every effort was made to secure accurate information concerning the rock surface, and from points on the work where solid rock could be definitely located and also from the depth of old crib-work where it could be definitely ascertained, a profile showing the probable rock surface was plotted for the information of intending bidders. After the contract was let, it developed that the probable rock surface, as exhibited, for a length of 250 feet, was a very hard cemented clay intermixed with stones. Consequently the contractors were required to excavate this material to the bottom of the canal for the crib seats, resulting in a large increase in the estimated quantities of excavation, crib-work, stone fulling in cribwork and earth filling behind cribwork.

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LIB

John Frederick Johnston (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the item carry?

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

Do not be in too much of a hurry.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I should like to remind my hon. friend that the item he is now discussing was voted at the last session of parliament.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

Had I been in the House at the time the item was passed I would have objected to it.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I am not sure whether my hon. friend was in the House or not.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

I was not in the House at the time.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

But that is not my fault-.

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CON

Finlay MacDonald

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONALD (Richmond):

There are times when the estimates are rushed through and when it seems to be in the interests of certain people to have them go through in that way.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

I rise to a point of order-I sat here all the evening doing my work in. the manner in which it is my duty to do itr and I think such an insinuation is entirely uncalled for. If my hon. friend cannot take his seat in this House and watch for items in which he is interested I think he has no right to accuse me, or accuse any minister of trying to rush them through in his absence. It is his duty to be in his seat if he expects to look after his business.

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April 8, 1927