March 2, 1927

LIB-PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Liberal Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

Like the hon. members from Alberta we also are responsible to our constituents. Our position here is absolutely endorsed by our constituents and therefore we have no apologies to offer in that respect. We do take exception to the implication in the statement that we sought a refuge. We (Mr Deputy Speaker.]

have sought no refuge. The hon. members for this group have accepted their full responsibility. We have felt the responsibility that devolves upon us of carrying out the policies we had advocated, and at the same time striving to give to this country the stable government that we desire.

It has been suggested to me that I did not point out who wrote this particular article. You will find it by reading the Citizen; it is by one of the members of the Alberta group. We have heard a good deal in this House already about the imputing of motives. I would remind hon. members that it is possible for us also to impute motives, and if we look back over the history of the past five years, it is not just so clear that certain hon. members are entirely invulnerable.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. BROWN
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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The House is generally

very lenient in regard to questions of privilege, but the breach of privilege must be a real one. This is what May says:

Libels on members have also been constantly punished: but to constitute a breach of privilege they must concern the character or conduct of members in that capacity, and the libel must be based on matters arising in the actual transaction of the business of the House.

'r have listened to both cases this afternoon, and I may say, for the honour of the House and of all its members, I do not see any libellous interpretation to be given to either the interview supposed to have been given by the Deputy Speaker or to the article which has just been quoted by the hon. member for Lisgar. There is no question of privilege there and I think the House would do well to transact business.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. BROWN
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LIB-PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Liberal Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

If there is no question of

privilege in either case, I remain satisfied with having stated my case.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I do not rise to take any

exception to your ruling, Mr. Speaker, that there is no question of privilege, but I rise to say that it must be a great privilege to the Dominion Textile Company to have so much free advertising.

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DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL REVENUE REORGANIZATION OP DEPARTMENT OP CUSTOMS AND EXCISE


Hon. W. D. EULER (Minister of Customs and Excise) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 113, respecting the Department of National Revenue.


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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Explain.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL REVENUE REORGANIZATION OP DEPARTMENT OP CUSTOMS AND EXCISE
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LIB

William Daum Euler (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

This bill provides for certain changes in the organization of the Department of Customs and Excise. It proposes to

Department of National Revenue

divide the department itself into three chief branches: Customs, excise, and income tax.

Each of these branches is to be placed in charge of a commissioner who shall have practically the power of a deputy minister. It will also give authority to the minister to transfer some of the work now devolving upon him to these commissioners. This is done in the interest of the despatch of public business and efficiency.

There is just one other clause that is perhaps of some, although not of great, importance, and that is the one which deals with changing the name of the department. We propose to call it the Department of National Revenue, or possibly the Department of Revenue. The reason for that is not because of any particular prejudice against the department which has been under fire, but because the new title is more descriptive of the functions of the department than the present title. The department has charge of the collection of practically all the revenues of the country. The name "Department of Customs and Excise" does not imply nor include the collection of the income tax, nor of the sales tax, which of course may be regarded as an excise tax. Those are all the provisions of the bill that, I think, might interest the House.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL REVENUE REORGANIZATION OP DEPARTMENT OP CUSTOMS AND EXCISE
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DEPARTMENTAL SUPPLIES AND SURPLUS GOODS


On the order: Mr. Ward-Bill intituled: "An Act respecting the purchasing and disposal of departmental and other supplies and surplus goods."


LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

As regards this bill standing in the name of Mr. Ward, the point of order raised yesterday by the leader of the opposition (Mr. Guthrie) is well taken. I had not seen the bill because it was just printed and handed to me yesterday afternoon. It contains various clauses which involve a large expenditure of money. For instance, clause 3 reads:

There shall be a department of the government of Canada, which shall be called the "purchasing department", over which the Minister of Finance, for the time being, appointed by the Governor General by commission under the great seal of Canada, shall preside.

Needless to say that the creation of a new department means the expenditure of a large amount of money. The bill would properly come under rule 77 which reads:

If any motion be made in the House for any public aid or charge upon the people, the consideration and debate thereof may not be presently entered upon, but shall be adjourned till

such further day as the House thinks fit to appoint; and then it shall be referred to a committee of the whole House, before any resolution or vote of the House do pass thereupon.

Therefore this bill should be introduced by one of the ministers of the crown. It should be preceded by a resolution as to all intents and purposes it is a money bill. Therefore I declare it out of order.

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QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)


STEAMER PEI.EE

CON

Mr. GOTT:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Does the government propose to renew the subsidy to the steamer Pelee for the coming season of navigation?

2. If so, what subsidy is proposed?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   STEAMER PEI.EE
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LIB

James Malcolm (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Hon. Mr. MALCOLM:

The subsidy contract has been renewed at the same rate of subsidy previously paid, namely, $11,000 for the season of navigation.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   STEAMER PEI.EE
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CAMPBELLTON AND MONCTON POST OFFICE EMPLOYEES

CON

Mr. HANSON:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. What are the names of all the employees in the post offices at Campbellton and Moncton, New Brunswick?

2. What is the salary of each and the date of their appointment?

Hon. Mr. VENIOf: See statement herewith :

Campbellton

1 and 2.

Statement showing names of postmaster and assistants in Campbellton post office, N.B., with remuneration and years of service in each case.

Postmaster, Arthur J. McIntyre; Date of appointment, 13-5-1924; Total remuneration, $7,444.

Assistants

Miss Tyler Miss Matthews Miss Duncan Miss Plamondon John Boucher Roland Miller H. Brown

Length of service

6 yrs.-6 months 3 yrs.-4 months 2 yrs.-6 months

1 yr. -4 months 5 yrs.-6 months

2 yrs.-2 months

6 months

The remuneration of the postmaster at Campbellton is based on the revenue of his office and, therefore, varies from year to year. Out of the total amount paid by the department he is required to provide at his own expense the necessary assistance for the proper service of the public.

Questions

EMPLOYEES IN THE MONCTON POST OFFICE Permanent

Harris, John H

Henderson, Jos. S...

Armstrong, F. A____

Harris, Geo. R

O'Neill, Charles___

Leger, Arthur D____

Dawson, Daniel

Gourley, L. Miss___

Porter, Chas. R....

LeBlanc, Wm. D_____

Lutes, A. B

Murray, S. M

Miller, Gordon

McFarlane, G

Amos, C. W. F

Buxton, Ronald

Sowerby, Robert...

White, Wm. J

Fear, Jos. R

LeBlanc, G. A

LeBlanc, E. A

Welsh, Fred

Boudreau, E. J

Burdon, W. McF_____

Wilson, Edwin

LeBlanc, Roy J

Slipp, Geo., L

Rogers, Clinton....

Shaw, Murray, W... Jarvis, Ernest R....

Soper, Geo. S

Rickard, F. W

Jones, V. McM

Pincombe, J. Win... Kay, Edith G. Miss

Stone, Arthur E....

Walton, C. E

Duncan, LeBaron...

Legers, Henry P____

Beaman, Ruel D_____

Quartermain, C. L..

Steeves, Henry B____

Cochrane, Harold E. McDonald, John H.. Hargrove, Percy W.

Reade, John B

Donaghy, Fred'k. A

Jones, Thos. D

Atkinson, Wm. D_____

Stultz, John C

Carey, Jas. D

Smith, Lawson

Delahunt, Wm. P____

Lynch, K. S

Charters, D. I

Arsenault, A

LeBlanc, J. E. A....

Johnston, Robert H.

Walker, James

Horsman, Frank V..

Buxton, Frank

Steeves, Chas. B....

McDonald, J. B

Carson, L. B

Elliott, R .F

Carroll, Richard H.. Van Buskirk, J. T___

Name

Class Title

Date of appointment

Salary

.. Postmaster

.. Asst. Postmaster. .. Sr. Postal Clerk.. .. Sr. Postal Clerk.. .. Sr. Postal Clerk.

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk..

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

. Postal Clerk

.. Postal Clerk....

. Postal Clerk

.. Postal Clerk....

Postal Clerk....

. Postal Clerk

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

[DOT] * Postal Clerk..

[DOT]. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

Postal Clerk....

* Postal Clerk....

.. Postal Clerk....

[DOT] [DOT] Postal Clerk..

* [DOT] Postal Clerk..

*. Typist Grade 2...

. [DOT] Sr. Letter Carrier .. Letter Carrier....

*. Letter Carrier....

. Letter Carrier....

.. Letter Carrier....

.. Letter Carrier....

.. Letter Carrier....

*. Letter Carrier__

.. Letter Carrier....

*. Letter Carrier....

.. Letter Carrier....

.. Letter Carrier....

. Letter Carrier....

.. Sr. Mail Porter...

.. Mail Porter

* Mail Porter

.. Mail Porter

.. Mail Porter

.. Mail Porter

Mail Porter

Mail Porter

. Mail Porter

Mail Porter

Mail Porter

. Mail Porter

. Mail Porter

. Mail Porter

. Mail Porter

. Postal Helper....

. Postal Helper....

. Postal Helper....

. Postal Helper....

. 14th April, 1915__

. 14th Feb., 1895...

5th Oct., 1903....

. 18th Mar., 1907...

. 20th May, 1913....

6th Aug., 1912....

1st Mar., 1913....

23rd Oct., 1915

3rd May, 1918

23rd Sept., 1908....

2nd Aug., 1910....

16th Apr., 1920

3rd May, 1920

22nd May, 1916

1st Mar., 1920....

18th Aug., 1920

18th May, 1918

3rd Sept., 1920...

21st Jan., 1920

15th Mar., 1920

17t.h Mar., 1920....

30th Mar., 1920

9th Nov., 1920....

10th Nov., 1920

Uth Nov., 1920

15th Sept., 1921....

29th Nov., 1920

26th Nov., 1920

6th Dec., 1920....

10th May, 1921

18th April., 1922...

24th July, 1922

2nd Apr., 1923....

1st Apr., 1920....

26th Feb., 1920

23rd Sept., 1908....

23rd Sept., 1908....

13th Feb., 1918

8th May, 1920

1st Jan., 1921....

2nd May, 1921

16th Mar., 1921

20th June, 1922

12th Mar., 1923

12th Mar., 1923

16th Apr., 1923

2nd Apr., 1923....

3rd Oct., 1925....

12th June, 1907

6th April, 1912...

29th Mar., 1916

1st Apr., 1918....

22nd Nov., 1916

11th Mar., 1920

17th Mar., 1920

22nd Apr., 1920

14th June, 1920

1st Nov., 1920

1st Dec., 1922

4th May, 1921

14th May, 1923

17th Sept., 1923....

16th Dec., 1923

1st Jan., 1924

1st Sept., 1924

14th Jan., 1924

18th Dec., 1925

*3,300

2,700

1.920

1.920 1,860 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680 1,680

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.560

1.320

1.320

1.320

1.320

1.320

1.440 1,200 1,620

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440 1,080 1,620

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440

1.440 1,200

1.320

1.320 1,200 1,260

1.140

1.140 1,020

Questions

EMPLOYEES IN THE MONCTON POST OFFICE-Concluded Temporary employees

Name Class Title Date of appointment Salary

1,020 1,020 1,020

16th Nov., 1925

4th Jan., 1926

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Subtopic:   CAMPBELLTON AND MONCTON POST OFFICE EMPLOYEES
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CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS

CON

Mr. MacDONALD (Cape Breton):

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Does the Canadian National Railway own the ore discharge dock at Port Edward, Ontario?

2. When was this dock built?

3. What was the total cost of dock, excluding equipment?

4. Who owns the discharge equipment on such docks?

5. What was cost of discharge equipment?

6. Does the Canadian National Railway operate the dock and equipment or either?

7. If not operated by Canadian National

Railway, to whom is the dock or equipment leased? .

8. If leased, what rental has been received each year during the past seven years?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Sub-subtopic:   POINT EDWARD ORE DISCHARGE DOCK
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March 2, 1927