February 11, 1927

LIB-PRO

Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

The section reads:

*-and if any applicant is dissatisfied with the decision of the board he may, within such time as is prescribed by regulations made by the Governor in Council, appeal to the Exchequer court of Canada and the decision of that court shall be final.

Further on the bill states:

The Governor in Council may make such regulations as he deems fit for the procedure in appeals to the Exchequer court under this section, and may by such regulations modify or dispense with any provisions as to procedure in the Exchequer Court Act or in the rules of practice of that court.

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CON

John Arthur Clark

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARK:

Will the minister read the

clause which permits the Exchequer court to delegate its powers to any other court?

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LIB-PRO

Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

I will tell the House again

what I stated before with reference to referring the matter to the Exchequer court. As a layman I thought it was ridiculous, but it was explained to me that it was not necessary that the applicant should come to Ottawa, or that the judges of Exchequercourt should try the case; that they coulddelegate the case to someone in the locality Where the difficulty arose. It :is not soabsurd, therefore, as appears on the face of

it.

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CON

John Arthur Clark

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CLARK:

I cannot see the provision

in the clause the minister read which empowers the Exchequer court to delegate its powers to anyone else.

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LIB-PRO

Robert Forke (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

I was informed by a lawyer to that effect-that that was what the court had power to do. Maybe I am wrong, I am not a lawyer at all.

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LIB

John Frederick Johnston (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

There seems to be

some misunderstanding in the committee as to whether or not the motion made by the hon. minister was carried. It was my understanding that it was carried and I so marked it, but with unanimous consent it can be rescinded. I would point out that the motion of the hon. member for Qu'Appelle cannot be entertained unless the previous motion is

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rescinded, because the motion made by the hon. member for Qu'Appelle goes back beyond the word "present," as it appears in the resolution, and paragraph 336 of rule 36 of Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms states:

After a decision has been given on an amendment to any part of a question, an earlier part cannot be amended.

'Consequently it is necessary, in order to consider the amendment moved by the hon. member for Qu'Appelle, that the (motion to strike out the word "present" be rescinded. Is it the unanimous consent of the committee that the motion be rescinded?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Carried.

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LIB

John Frederick Johnston (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Then the motion moved by the hon. member for Qu'Appele would be in order. It is to this effect:

That in the third line after the words "shall be the" the words "diminution in" be deleted, and the following words inserted, "difference between the price at which the settler agreed to purchase the said land and improvements from the board and"-

The remainder of the clause following the words "present value" will 'be deleted.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

Mr. Chairman, may I

rise to a point of order? This resolution has been submitted in its printed form to His Excellency the Governor General and has received his approval. Gam. a private member by a motion change the language of such a resolution without its being re-submitted to His Excellency?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

Mr. Chairman, I think the hon. leader of the opposition is perfectly right dn his contention. I would suggest that inasmuch as dozens of amendments to this bill will be submitted when it is in committee, the committee accept the resolution, much as they seem to question its wording. This is a contentious bill, and I defy any member to introduce a bill of this character that will be entirely satisfactory and that will not be the subject of many amendments. That has been my experience in the four years that I have been trying to put through similar legislation. The adoption of my suggestion would create no precedent; such a course has been taken heretofore.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

Mr. Chairman, in order to show our entire goodwill to the new Minister of Immigration and Colonization, and to help the government out of an apparent dilemma, we agree to the suggestion made by my hon. friend.

Long Term Farm Loans

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Forke thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 61, to amend the Soldier Settlement Act, 1919.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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LONG TERM FARM LOANS


Hon. J. A. ROBB (Minister of Finance) moved that the House go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved,-1. That there shall be a board known as the Canadian Farm Loan Board which shall be a body politic and corporate consisting of four members, one of whom shall be the Minister of Finance and the other three shall be appointed by the governor in council and of the latter one shall be designated by the Canadian Farm Loan commissioners. 2. That the board shall issue farm loan bonds to make long term loans to farmers, and the government of Canada shall provide initial capital for the board to an amount not exceeding five million dollars and subscribe an amount of 5 per cent of the capital stock as loans are made by the board. 3. That the government of each province in which loans are made shall be required to subscribe to the capital stock of the board as loans are made in such province an amount equal to 5 per cent of the said loans and each borrower an amount of 5 per cent of his loan payable at the time the loan is made. The loans shall be made on the security of first mortgage on farm lands; the interest rate shall be such a rate in excess of the interest payable on the farm loan bonds as is sufficient to provide for the expenses of operation; the farm loan bonds shall be legal investments and may be purchased by the Minister of Finance provided that the amount of such bonds held by him shall not at any time exceed $15,000,000; and the amount of any payment by the government of Canada on account of capital of the board or as payment for farm loan bonds purchased shall be paid out of the consolidated revenue fund on the authority of the governor in council. Motion agreed to and the House went into committee, Mr. Johnston in the chair.


CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Would the minister be

kind enough to give us a 'brief explanation?

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James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

The bill to be founded upon

this resolution will be submitted to the House in identically the same form that it left the House to go to the Senate last session.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Robb thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 62, for the purpose of establishing in Canada a system of long term mortgage credit for farmers.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

On motion of Mr. Mackenzie King the House adjourned at 9.50 p.m.

Monday, February 14, 1927

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February 11, 1927