February 8, 1927

LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Before six o'clock I was

pointing out to my hon, friend (Mr. Stevens) that this is the usual item that comes up every year. I have a memorandum of the vote each year covering a period of years.

This year the items included-I will not give the odd figures-are: Customs and excise,

$273,000; pensions $716,000; post office $716,000; soldiers' civil re-establishment $234,000. In the following years the following amounts were voted as "unprovided items":

1918- 19 $1,071,403.341919- 20

1,250,303.731920- 21

544,009.251921- 22

2,055,030.861922- 23

368,783.391923- 24

130,442.08

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

Why are these amounts

not put in the main estimates or in the supplementary estimates? I confess I do not quite understand the system, although evidently it has prevailed for some time. Why should these different amounts be required each year to balance accounts?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I am not quite sure that I am right about this, but I understand that they have drawn upon vote No. 1 to pay for vote No. 3, and so forth, and this is >to legalize the procedure. There are overdrafts on the different departments.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

In other words, they

spend more money than parliament authorizes.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Under a certain vote, but the total vote is there.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

We are voting a lump

sum to balance the account and that represents an amount of money not voted by parliament but which has been spent.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I do not understand it that

way, but I Shall have that point carefully looked into.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

It is a matter of curiosity on my part, but it is a matter of consequence. We are asked to vote $1,995,000 odd which is not voted in the main estimates or in the supplementary estimates; it is money which has not been voted .by parliament. Is not that correct? We are now asked to ratify the expenditure by voting it.

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LIB

Eugène Fiset

Liberal

Sir EUGENE FISET:

No, we are simply using a balance in respect of certain items to meet overdrafts in respect of others.

Mr. GUTHRIE; It does not seem to me that we are using a balance; we are authorising an additional expenditure.

Sir EUGENE FISET. This practice was followed during your regime.

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CON

Hugh Guthrie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

I have said that it has

prevailed a long time.

Questions

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

There is no new expenditure

involved; we are merely asking for parliamentary sanction for an overdraft.

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Item agreed to. Resolutions reported.


WAYS AND MEANS

SUPPLY BILL


Hon. J. A. ROBB (Minister of Finance), moved that the House go into committee of ways and means. Motion agreed to and the House went into committee, Mr. Johnston in the chair.


LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB moved:

Resolved that towards making good the supply granted to His Majesty on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1926, the sum of $2,727,376.35 be granted out of the consolidated revenue fund of Canada.

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Motion agreed to.


LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB moved:

Resolved that towards making good the supply granted to His Majesty on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1927, the sum of $7,057,741.85 be granted out of the consolidated revenue fund of Canada.

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Motion agreed to. Resolutions reported and concurred in. Mr. Robb thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 46, for granting to His Majesty certain sums of money for the public service for the fiscal years ending respectively March 31, 1926, and March 31, 1927. Motion agreed to and bill read the first and second time, considered in committee, reported, read the third time and passed.


February 8, 1927