February 8, 1927

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Oh no.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

It was two days after my hon. friend's famous speech at Richmond Hill, and I think he will find dissolution occurred just after that.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

No, dissolution took place the day of the speech as a matter of fact.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Then it was within two

days of dissolution. I submit it is rather straining the credulity of hon. members on this side of the House to -ask us, without any explanation at all, to accept this -resolution:

Payment of compensation levied against employers by workmen's compensation boards in respect of pensioners who are engaged in industry.

My understanding of the various workmen's compensation acts is that they are provincial legislation, wholly under the administration of the provinces and presumably-I cannot say

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because I am guessing at it-the government is compensating some of the employers for contributions to this fund. We ought to know who the employers are and the reasons why the government should contribute. It is an extraordinary vote. I do not recall having seen anything of this kind before parliament, although there may have been such cases. As I say, the money was paid on governor general's warrant two days after the dissolution of parliament. I think it is really asking a little too much to ask that we should pass this item blindly, without any explanation.

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LIB

Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

As I understand the situation, certain of the pensioners, partially incapacitated men, are employed by corporations and1 industries in various parts of the country. The employers co-operate with the pension board in that regard, but each employer in a province where a compensation board, a provincial inatitution, exists, is levied upon for his employees, and in the case of these pensioners, who are taken in as a national service by the employers, there is a vote, I think in the Department of National Defence, for the payment by the federal government of the workmen's compensation assessment with respect to such partially disabled men. It so happens that these supple-memtaries should have appeared in the estimates at the time of the last session of parliament. They are dealing with the fiscal year 1925-1926; hence the lack of preparation. But the matter happened to arise in going through the estimates before the Treasury board. This is an amount which is not easily calculable when estimates are made up.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

All right. May we have the file laid on the table in this case?

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LIB

Item agreed to. To provide for additional outlay in connection with fighting fires in the Canadian national parks (governor general's warrant of December 3, 1925), $18,500.


LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Edmonton):

The explanation of this item is that with respect to forest fires we had one of the most disastrous years in the history of the country and we were about $18,000 short in our estimates.

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Item agreed to. To meet the cost of the salving of the H.M. G.S. Armentieres, (governor general's warrant of December 3, 1925), $40,000.


LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

This is to meet the cost of

the salving of His Majesty's ship Armentieres.

fMr. Stevens.]

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CON

John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS (Frontenac):

What was

the value of the vessel?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

If my hon. friend will refer

to the public accounts he will find the cost price.

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CON

John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS (Frontenac):

There

would not be much sense in paying $40,000 for a vessel only worth $15,000 to $20,000.

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Item agreed to. To cover expenses in connection with the prosecution of an alleged combine in the distribution of fruit and vegetables in the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba (governor general's warrant of January 6, 1926), $60,000.


CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I am not criticising the

vote, but very large sums were spent in connection with this case. It was a very noted case. Certain very large fines were collected. Personally, I would be satisfied if the minister would give us the particulars of this warrant, and, in addition to that, if the minister would lay on the table a statement of the total cost, to whom paid, and also as to the collection of the fines and to whom the fines were paid. Were they paid to the province, to the various cities, or to the Dominion exchequer?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Perhaps it would be more in

order if my hon. friend would move for a return.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

No, the Finance minister misunderstands me. I am not asking for any large return. I do not want to go to that trouble, but here we have an item of $60,000. There are a great many instances other than this, but I ask merely for a general explanation of this item, giving the totals. Then there is the question of the fines. As I have already intimated, I think there was one fine of $125,000 and several other fines of $25,000 apiece. Could we have a statement showing whether those fines have been paid or not? I heard a rumour that some of the fines have not been paid. There was an intimation that some of them were remitted. Whether that is true or not I do not know. If the minister would give us a financial statement of the case, which is perhaps one of the most noted cases that we have had in recent times, it would be sufficient.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

It is a departmental matter.

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LIB

Peter Heenan (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. HEENAN:

I will lay a statement on the table.

Supply-Miscellaneous

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February 8, 1927