June 30, 1926

LIB

Jean-Joseph Denis

Liberal

Mr. DENIS (Joliette):

I want to discuss this matter with my hon. friend in a polite and friendly manner, and for that reason I will not answer his last question but I will tell him this: If he wants to be logical and wants to act in accordance with principle He cannot claim that he wants to go home, because by voting with hon. gentlemen on this side he will bring about that result sooner than he would if he voted with hon. gentlemen opposite. My hon. friend said the amendment this afternoon was purely a political amendment. Let us be frank when we are discussing this matter. Every time a resolution is brought in for political purposes, according to his notion, is he at liberty to vote diametrically opposite to his principles? It is impossible to accept that.

My hon. friends have spoken of co-operation. It is true there has been co-operation between the Liberal and Progressive parties, and had the Liberals of the province of Quebec not been willing to co-operate with the Progressive party, co-operation would have 14011-330J

been impossible. We did co-operate with them, and I am not sorry for it. If we had it to do all over again I would co-operate. But both sides must co-operate. We Liberals from the province of Quebec could live very well without co-operation, and if we did cooperate it was for the reason that I stated at the opening of parliament, that throughout the length and breadth of Canada our party should co-operate with all independent groups and work together for the welfaj-e of our country. That was our object, and in order to attain it I am not ashamed to state to-night that I have voted for more than one measure which in my estimation might have been doubtful if I had considered my province only. But that was not my object. I considered the whole of Canada; I realized that two or three thousand miles from here there were provinces with which we should co-operate, and for that reason I supported those measures. My friends having obtained what they were after, apparently they say, "Now that we have crossed the river, we take our hats and are going home."

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

The only reason I have voted as I have is that one department of the government had got into such a state-and I ielt that some members of the government knew it-that I could not support the then government. I was sorry that the co-operation could not be further carried out.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

Jean-Joseph Denis

Liberal

Mr. DENIS (Joliette):

I want to be very modest in my words and speech, but I will go further; do my hon. friends of the Progressive party think-their principles being known and recorded; in this House-that co-operation would be easier with the present government than with the group on this side of the House? If there is one hon. member who is of that opinion, I should like to know his name. They cannot contend that, because it would be illogical. I do not want to blame them for their action; they are perfectly free and they have my consideration, esteem and respect, but notwithstanding all that I cannot bring myself to the belief that co-operation is easier with the Tory party than with the Liberal party. Co-operation with the Tory party is impossible; and that has been demonstrated during the present session. Just think of the logic of these estimable gentlemen. They want co-operation, but in the meantime, while they are claiming co-operation, they are supporting a party with which they cannot co-operate.

My hon. friend said they would like to have coalition. I do not know if it is new to my hon. friend, but it is not new to others. I am going to tell my hon. friends something to take with them to Saskatchewan and Al-

Supply-Secretary of State

berta. Referring to coalition, do my hon. friends from the Progressive party know, or do they ignore the fact, fhat for two or three years at least, and perhaps more, very prominent people belonging to both parties in the provinces of Quebec and Ontario have claimed that those two provinces should go hand in hand and co-operate in order to govern this country? If my hon. friends do not know that, they do not know very much, because it is no secret. I am not divulging any secret, and moreover I was not a party to it. I am simply repeating what I have heard time and time again, and no one can go to Toronto or Montreal without meeting among the business men of those two largest cities in this Dominion many who will tell my Conservative friends on the one hand and the Liberals on the other that they should co-operate, and that there must not be any feud between Quebec and Ontario. If there is any misunderstanding between those provinces, remember that our interests are identical and that they should join hands and work together. Do my hon. friends know that Quebec has 65 members and Ontario 82? My hon. friends should make the addition and find out what it represents. They ask for cooperation and coalition. If we ever have coalition between Ontario and Quebec, the Progressives might not see their policy advanced very much. I do not want to threaten anybody, but, in common with my hon. friends from Macleod (Mr. Coote) and Bow River (Mr. Garland) I want the business of the country carried on and am willing to let politics go in order to gain that end. I hope my hon. friend will not think for one moment that I was speaking of him in a personal way. Although I do not know him very well personally, he knows I have a great deal of esteem for him. To-night I am speaking with a purpose. I want him to consider my statement, not because it comes from me, but because I am voicing the opinion of many who think as I do. I advise the hon. gentleman to read Hansard before he goes home and consider once more what I have just said concerning Quebec and more particularly Ontario.

Motion agreed to and the House went into committee of Supply, Mr. Duff in the chair.

SECRETARY OP STATE To provide for the purchase of 650 copies of the Canadian Parliamentary Guide $1,950.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

Georges Henri Boivin

Liberal

Mr. BOTVIN:

Has there been any increase in the price of the Guide?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
CON

George Halsey Perley (Minister of Public Works; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY (Acting Secretary of State):

There has been no increase. This is the annual vote.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink

Item agreed to. fMr. J. J. Denis.] Governor General's Secretary's Office- Salaries, including Governor General's secretary additional to salary authorized by R.S., c. 4, $3,600; John Guy at $1,500 and George Johnson at $1,380 $35,370 Contingencies 66 000


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

What is the

salary of the Governor General's secretary?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
CON

George Halsey Perley (Minister of Public Works; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

It is $2,400.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

What is the

additional amount for?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
CON

George Halsey Perley (Minister of Public Works; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

These are my

right hon. friend's estimates. I suppose he considered that the additional amount was warranted.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

What is the additional amount?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
CON

George Halsey Perley (Minister of Public Works; Secretary of State of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE PERLEY:

It is $3,600.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

That is a total of $6,000 for the Governor General's secret tary.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink

Item agreed to. National Defence-Militia services-Cadet services, $400,000.


PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Mr. Chairman, may I ask a courtesy of the new administration? One of our hon. members who has had this question under consideration for some years desires to address the House on it.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

William Duff (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Item stands.

Non-permanent active militia, $1,660,000.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

I wish to congratulate

the new government on their spirit of economy in decreasing this item by $50,000. I believe they have inherited that spirit from the former government, and I merely express the hope that when the estimates are brought down next year-and very likely they will be brought down by this side of the House -it will be found possible to further reduce this amount.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. HUGH GUTHRIE (Acting Minister of National Defence):

I do not want my

hon. friend to be misled. The former government reduced the amount, but found it necessary to restore the $50,000 in the supplementary estimates.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
LIB

Georges Henri Boivin

Liberal

Mr. BOTVIN:

Does my hon. friend contend that the amount is required for training camps for the non-permanent militia?

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink
CON

Hugh Guthrie (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada; Minister of National Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

No.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING FISCAL POLICY ENUNCIATED BY PRIME MINISTER
Permalink

June 30, 1926