June 14, 1926

LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Yes.

Sir HENRY pRAYTON: What was the

amount spent last year?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

The amount spent last

year was $9,571.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

May I ask what

action the Labour department proposes to take this year in order to give effect to the Peace treaty and to the various conventions that have been adopted since that time? We all recognize that in a federal country this is a very complicated problem, but still we are under obligations to carry out the provisions of the Peace treaty. Is there any definite action being taken to-day or is it contemplated in the near future?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Conferences have taken

place, and are contemplated in some other cases, with the various provinces in regard to carrying out the terms of the convention, but nothing of a very concrete character has yet been arrived at.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Or will be.

Supply-Labour

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Charles Stephen Booth

Mr. WOODS WORTH:

This matter has come up again and again, for example with regard to the eight4iour day, and matters of that kind. We entered into a solemn obligation and this treaty is as binding on Canada as it is upon any of the other countries involved. We are under a solemn obligation to carry the treaty out and yet the minister stands here to-night and says there is nothing very definite to announce. It seems to me that is not a very satisfactory attitude for him to take. I would ask him if some definite action could not be taken this year that will enable us to carry out fully our international obligations in this regard.

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CON

Robert Rogers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROGERS:

Give him a chance. He

is new to the job.

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Item agreed to. Joint industrial councils, $3,000.


LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Several years ago

immediately after the war, a great deal was said with regard to industrial councils, and a number of publications were issued by the department dealing with the Whitley plan. I Should like to know what this $3,000 is used for-what has been done and what is proposed to be done?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

Part of this allowance

covers the payments that have been made to the gentleman to whom I referred a moment ago, Mr. E. McG. Quirk, who at various times has conducted special investigations for the department. He is not paid a salary and the amount asked is to cover living allowance and transportation expenses. The expenditure for the last fiscal year was $2,175.94.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

These amounts

then are not being spent for the purpose of setting up industrial councils, they are being spent on general conciliation work? Am I correct?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

They are councils as between employers and employees.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

Surely the minister

loes not intend to give the committee to understand that When a man goes out to try to conciliate two parties he is setting up a permanent institution that should be generally recognized as a joint council? I ask the minister whether it is his intention to set up anything like a Whitley council or to attempt to do so in the civil service itself? There at least since we are an employer of labour we might become a model employer.

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

No decision to that effect

has been reached up to the present time, but it is just possible that the work of this particular branch will be enlarged in the future.

I am hoping that such will be the case.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

It seems to me

that we might expect the minister to go further than that. A year or so ago we had a strike by certain postal employees in a number of eastern cities. We were then told that it was a dreadful thing for civil servants to strike. But there seems to be no means by which the civil servants can bring their grievances before any tribunal and thus effect a settlement. A great many private industries have already set up joint councils on which there are representatives of both the employer and the employees, and these joint councils have, we are told, done something to settle minor disputes. They have done a great deal to allay friction. If we take the position that the civil servants are in a somewhat different position from other employees and ought not to resort to a strike or anything of that kind, then there should be the most adequate provision for councils by which they could bring their grievances to the proper authorities. I should like to see this plan carried out, especially in such an institution as the postal department. I would ask if the minister could not use his departmental machinery to make inquiries and investigations with regard to that matter, and to induce the department and the cabinet generally to adopt this arrangement as a means by which we could more effectively carry on the public service.

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Item agreed to. Technical Education Act, $3,000.


LAB

Abraham Albert Heaps

Labour

Mr. HEAPS:

I see lower down on this

page of the estimates a sum of $1,100,000 for technical education in Canada. Will the minister be good enough to give us a brief outline of what that is?

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LIB

John Campbell Elliott (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. ELLIOTT:

This is an expenditure of

money that is apportioned among the provinces under an agreement. The act is the Technical Education Act, and it provides as follows:

(1) For the purpose of promoting and assisting technical education in Canada, the following sums, aggregating ten million dollars, shall Ibe appropriated, and paid out of the consolidated revenue fund of Canada during each fiscal year for the period of ten years beginning with the year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty, namely,-

Civil Service Salaries

(a) During the fiscal year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty, the sum of seven hundred thousand dollars;

(ib) During the fiscal year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-one, the sum of eight hundred thousand dollars;

(c) During the fiscal year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-two, the sum of nine hundred thousand dollars;

(d) During the fiscal year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-three, the sum of one million dollars;

(e) During the fiscal year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-four, the sum of one million one hundred thousand dollars;

and the like sum of one million one hundred thousand dollars during each of the succeeding fiscal years until the expiration of the fiscal year ending the thirty-first day of March, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-nine.

(2) Such sums, subject to the conditions of this Act, shall 'be allotted and shall be paid quarterly as grants to the Governments of the several provinces as follows :-

(a) The sum of ten thousand dollars shall be paid in each year to the government of each province;

Ob) The remainder of the appropriation for each year shall be allotted and paid to the governments of the respective provinces in proportion to the population of the said provinces respectively as determined by the last federal decennial census.

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Item agreed to. Public Printing and Stationery-printing, binding, etc., the annual statutes, $10,000.


CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Does the minister not think we have done well enough? We have finished Labour and we are going into a new department. It is half past twelve.

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June 14, 1926