May 18, 1926

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) :

I am not aware of any such statement having been made. Mr. Logan has no^ made that statement to me. When he does so I will give my hon. friend a further answer.

REPORT OF CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION On the Orders of the Day:

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Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (Vancouver Centre):

I would like to ask if the long awaited report from the Civil Service Commission to the government is ready for publication, and if the government have come to a decision in regard to the matter.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

As my hon. friend knows,

Mr. Speaker, a sub-committee of the council was appointed to consider the report from the Civil Service Commission, and a number of representatives of the civil servants, both of the inside and outside services, asked to be heard before that committee. They were heard, and requested that the report be not acted upon at present, but that it be referred back to the Civil Service Commission in order to permit them, the civil servants affected, to make further representations. They contended that they had not had the opportunity to make' the representations they would have liked to make before the Civil Service Commission, and asked that this opportunity be now given them. The government has thought it advisable to meet their request in that regard and the report is being referred back to be dealt with when the commission is reconstituted.

PROPOSED NEW LINE TO PACIFIC On the Orders of the Day:

Mr. A. DeWITT FOSTER (Hants-Kings): On May 14, after drawing attention to an article appearing in the Canadian Gazette of London regarding a new line to the Pacific coast, I asked whether representations had been made by the Canadian Pacific looking

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to the acquisition of that line. The Prime Minister referred the question to the Minister of Railways, who on Monday said that the department had no information. Am I to understand that he speaks for all the departments of the government in making that reply?

Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister of Railways and Canals): I have not had an opportunity of consulting all my colleagues in regard to the matter. I answered the question so far as it related to the Department of Railways. I do not find around me anyone who has more information than I have in connection with this matter.

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CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS

DISCLOSURE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION REGARDING OPERATION


On the Orders of the Day: Mr. A. DeWITT FOSTER (Hants-Kings): I asked another question in reference to the purchase by the Canadian National Railways of an electric line running from about Moreau street to Bout de File, to which the minister replied that the railway has been acquired for general railway purposes, but that the management considers it not in the public interest to publish the price. Am I to understand that information as to the price will be given at a later date, in committee or at some other time, or is this a final refusal to give the House this information? Hon. CHARLES A. DUNNING (Minister of Railways): It is my practice, and has, I believe, been the practice of former ministers to refer inquiries relating to Canadian National matters to the management of that company. Many questions have been asked and are being asked about which it has not been considered in the public interest to give detailed information. I think the House is fairly familiar with past practices in that regard. However, I have on the order paper a notice of motion regarding the appointment of a special committee with respect to government railways. When that committee is sitting the officers of the Canadian National Railways will be present and any question which has not been previously answered satisfactorily may then be directed to the officials of the railway. I cannot guarantee that an answer will be returned in every case, because everyone knows that in a great business institution it is not always the part of wisdom to make public all information and details regarding its operation. I feel sure the committee will straighten out matters of that kind, and my hon. friend will be satisfied.


CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I realize very well that we cannot discuss this matter at present, but I would hesitate very much in believing that the minister is now stating the considered policy of the government. So far this House has never been refused in the answers to questions on the orders of the day information as to capital purchases. It will be a very startling proposition indeed if that policy is to be carried on in the future.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order, order.

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. gentleman is out of order.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

But I think this is really a matter of some public importance, and I therefore put it-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

If my hon. friends insist I will move the adjournment of the House in order to discuss this matter of public importance.

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. gentleman must be allowed to conclude his question.

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Robert Henry

Sir HENRI:

DRAYTON: I would have thought so. Having pointed out the importance of this matter I was about to ask if that is the considered policy of the government. Are proper questions, properly put, involving no question of management or of operation but relating to capital account, not to be answered in this House? That is the question.

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Charles Avery Dunning (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. DUNNING:

My hon. friend is surely making a mountain out of a mole hill; I made no such statement of general policy on behalf of the government. I told the hon. gentleman who asked the question how he might get the information with which he has not already been supplied. So far as the general question is concerned I think probably something is to be said for the position taken by the hon. member for West York (Sir Henry Drayton). Speaking offhand, I cannot think of a circumstance which would involve the refusal of information as to capital purchases. Perhaps my hon. friend will take my assurance that there is no intention on the part of the government to introduce a change of policy in regard to this matter.

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Otto Baird Price

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. O. B. PRICE (Westmorland):

Just in this connection, I would like to direct the attention of the Minister of Railways to the fact that within the last two or three weeks I had a question placed on the order paper regarding the amount of tonnage handled by the Canadian National Railways at St. John,

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New Brunswick and at Portland, which I wished for comparative'purposes. The answer given was that it is not in the interests of the railway to divulge that information. Now I wish to point out that the Prime Minister of this country, speaking at Moncton, New Brunswick, on October 13, 1921, promised that if returned to power-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order, order.

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. The hon. gentleman is out of order.

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Otto Baird Price

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PRICE:

I want to ask-

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

No debate can take place at this stage. The hon. member is out of order.

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May 18, 1926