March 18, 1926

CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG (East Lambton):

I desire to ask the Minister of Agriculture a question. I have received a communication in regard to this matter which reads as follows:

I understand that Australian and New Zealand butter is being sold in Canada in such a way that the consumer thinks he is getting the Canadian made product. I am informed that one of the government inspectors in western Ontario said that butter from Australia and New Zealand is being sold in London and St. Thomas in the same wrappers that the dealers formerly used in wrapping Canadian butter, the only difference being that the registration number is not printed on the wrapper of the imported article. Thus suppose the creameries were wrapping butter under a wrapper with "Rose Brand" on it the creamery has now to place their own registration number on it, namely, 860. But if we wrapped Australian butter we could use the same wrapper except that we would eliminate the registration number 860.

Privilege-Mr. Woodsworth

I desire to ask the government if they have issued' instructions to their inspectors to tell vendors of Australian 'butter that they may use the same wrappers as heretofore, but that they must ship in plain boxes and not use the creamery registration number either on the boxes or on the wrappers.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   SALE OF AUSTRALIAN BUTTER
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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. W. R. MOTHERWELL (Minister of Agriculture):

That is rather an involved

question to answer offhand with respect to Australian butter, and if my hon. friend will place it on the order paper I shall be pleased to explain the matter fully.

Topic:   QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   SALE OF AUSTRALIAN BUTTER
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PRIVILEGE-MR. WOODSWORTH


On the Orders of the Day:


LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. J. S. WOODSWORTH (Winnipeg North Centre):

I rise to a question of privilege.

My attention has been called to misleading reports of an incident that occurred on the night the House adjourned. The story was first published, I believe, by the Toronto Mail and Empire, and has since been added to and embellished by other papers. A typical account is given by the Daily Intelligencer of Belleville of March 6, where I note under the motto "Let there be harmony in things essential-liberty in things not essential- charity in all," there is an editorial dealing with "Ottawa's unholy trio." Attention is called to-

The most remarkable and illuminating spectacle of 'three anti-British members of the Commons, Messrs. Woodsworth and Heaps of Winnipeg, and Bourassa of Montreal, remaining sullenly seated while the national anthem was sung in the House.

Later on the article goes on to say:

It was South Hastings' member who started the loyal anthem and prayer for His Majesty as the House was recessing. W. Ernest Tummon, M.P., as all

Canada knows by this time, is a singer

As the critical moment approached-

I do not know what critical moment is referred to.

-some one said: " Come on, Ernie (they call him that) start 'The King'

He did. It was a notable event. Many said they never remembered the national anthem being sung in the House before. Everyone at once got to his feet, even the galleries joining, in this tribute of respect to His Majesty, except the unholy trio.

Hon. members will recall that in connection with the divisions, there was considerable confusion, various groups singing rival songs such as "Alouette", "There's a long, long trail awinding" and so on. Not being a singer, I did not participate in this, but I was in conversation with my neighbour the hon. member for Labelle (Mr. Bourassa). I remember that I became conscious that the tune was "God Save the King" but I paid no attention. Por me it was part of the

exuberant but rather undignified performance.

I think I was not far wrong as I have since been informed that after "God Save the King" was sung a group of members on this side of the House started "O Canada", during the singing of vfhich many members on the other side left the chamber. Personally I attach no significance to this. There was general confusion; the House was dispersing.

I may say however that the report was quite inaccurate for my colleague from North Winnipeg (Mr. Heaps) was standing while the national anthem was being sung.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE-MR. WOODSWORTH
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An hon. MEMBER:

He was not.

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LAB

James Shaver Woodsworth

Labour

Mr. WOODSWORTH:

The hon. member for Labelle informed me the other day that he was absolutely unaware that the national anthem was being.sung. No one who knows ' the animation with which the hon. member for Labelle enters into conversation will say, in the words of this editorial, that he was "sullenly seated". It would seem that prejudice had distorted the vision of some reporter. I should like to state that whether I participate in any ceremony or not I try to show reasonable respect for those who do. May I add, there are various ways of showing patriotism? At any irrelevant moment when someone calls "Come on, Ernie", I do not propose to click heels and come to a salute, or to do any other form of goose-stepping.

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PRO

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

Progressive

Mr. KENNEDY (Winnipeg):

Is it permissable to ask the hon. member a question?

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LAB
PRO
LIB

CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS- DETROIT FRANCHISE


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. T. L. CHURCH (Toronto Northwest):

I wish to object to the motion for the production of papers in reference to the surrender of certain valuable Canadian National railway franchises on the right of way of the Canadian National Railways and the Detroit G.H. & M. Railway being transferred from motions for the production of papers to notices of motion. This means that this cannot be discussed this session.

I should like to call the attention of the Acting minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Robb) to the following despatch:

Michigan legislature will approve Thornton "Sell out" Lansing, Mich., Feb. 3.-Formal approval of an agreement reached between Gov. Groesbeck and officials

Sup-ply-Customs

of the Canadian National Railways regarding moving certain tracks of the company to make room for the "wider Woodward avenue" link connecting Detroit and Pontiac. Michigan will be asked at a special session of the Michigan legislature which will convene February 16. Certain changes in the method of highway financing will also be considered. Formal call for the session was issued to-day by the governor.

Will this agreement be laid in full before this parliament for its approval and consent as is being done by the party of the first part, the state of Michigan, in asking the state's approval in the session of the legislature which has been specially called? If not, why not, and will parliament be asked to consent before this agreement is passed as Canada is the party of the second part?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS- DETROIT FRANCHISE
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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Trade and Commerce; Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. A. ROBB (Acting Minister of Railways and Canals):

The question asked by

my hon. friend involves some legal technicalities. I shall refer it to the management of the National Railways and give my hon. friend an answer as early as possible.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS- DETROIT FRANCHISE
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ACOUSTICS OF CHAMBER


On the Orders of the Day:


PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. ROBERT FORKE (Brandon):

I wish at this particular time to make a vigorous protest against the way in which business is being done while questions are being asked on the orders of the day. The whole thing to us in this part of the chamber is a dumb show. We know nothing about what is going on; with the exception of the speech delivered by the hon. member for .Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Woodsworth), I do not know anything that has been transacted in this House since prayers have been read.

Topic:   ACOUSTICS OF CHAMBER
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Louder.

Topic:   ACOUSTICS OF CHAMBER
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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

It is all very well for hon.

gentlemen in the front benches who seem to think they are conducting the business of this country and that none of us has any say in the matter. I think I made this request very courteously before. There may be a lack of attention on the part of those who are taking part in the proceedings; but one reason why so little attention is being paid and there is so much murmuring and talking is that when members are unable to follow what is taking place, naturally they lose interest and murmuring and talking begins. I make this request quite courteously that hon. members will try to speak just a little louder in asking and answering questions. The government members on the front benches are just as guilty as any other hon. members. I hope hon. members will take this request in the spirit in which it is made. I notice in the Journal to-day that even members of the

press gallery who are supposed to have hearing capacities far beyond those of the ordinary mortal are unable to hear what is going on in the House.

Topic:   ACOUSTICS OF CHAMBER
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March 18, 1926