Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Did you get any

results?

, Mr. GRAHAM: That is not the question. My right hon. friend says that no suggestion was made as regards the merits.

Mr. MEIGHEN:

You could not get any

results because they were not in the resolutions.

Mr. GRAHAM:

I am afraid my hon.

friend is breaking his promise to me that I would get a hearing. As a matter of fact, the managers of the conference representing the House of Commons urged upon the managers representing the upper house the advisability of raising the amount, of making $1,000 the minimum to be paid in full instead of $500. They urged upon that conference the wisdom of including churches, societies and unions in the class that was to be paid in full; but they were told very frankly by the managers from the Senate with no suggestion of ill temper, that those terms and amounts of payment could not be changed, or the Senate would not carry the bill. Therefore, the managers from the House of Commons were up against this proposition-it was that or nothing as regards the depositors. What were the managers to do? If the ex-Minister of Finance had been there and he had acted as he talked to-night, the ill-fated depositors of the Home Bank would not have got a farthing.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

My right hon.

friend is talking nonsense now.

Mr. GRAHAM:

The managers of the

upper house told us quite frankly as regards the amounts and terms of payment that they would make no change and, if a change was made, the Senate would defeat the bill. Under those circumstances, the managers from the House of Commons, having the preamble deleted by the consent of the Senate, having the words " in straitened circumstances " added as causes for paymen' of demands over $500, secured for the depositors the sure payment of the amounts named in the bill as now to be accepted. Otherwise the depositors of the Home Bank would not have got one farthing.

Home Bank

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Will the minister explain the difference between a man in special need and a man in straitened circumstances?

Mr. GRAHAM:

Mr. Speaker, the ways of

our legal men are beyond the understanding of laymen.

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Hear, hear.

Mr. GRAHAM:

We were told by eminent lawyers in both Houses who understand the meaning of legal terms that the adding of these words enlarged the scope and would enable the commissioner, .the preamble being deleted, to take perhaps a broader view of the cases that might be referred to him either ' for great need or for straitened circumstances.

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Has the minister any

objection to telling us who were the lawyers?

Mr. GRAHAM:

I do not wish to be

personal.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I would not

name them.

Mr. GRAHAM:

If I named them I think they would stand up in the company of the hon. gentleman as men of high legal attainments.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Name them.

Mr. GRAHAM:

I would not name them

at all.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Nor would I.

Mr. GRAHAM:

Nor would I-but not

from the same cause as my hon. friend.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I knew you

would not; you cannot.

Mr. GRAHAM:

If the member for West

York had attended the conference, and had acted along the lines he advanced to-night, the Home Bank depositors would not get a farthing.

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Will the minister be fair enough to the member for West York to repeat what it was he said which, if he had pressed it in the conference, would have resulted in the Home Bank depositors getting nothing?