An hon. MEMBER:
Hear, hear.
Hear, hear.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
That is another; we have two sincere gentlemen on thait side. I wonder if we could get a third.
Hear, hear.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
There are three; can we not have a fourth?
Mr. CANiNON: There are only three commissioners.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
That is the idea Of the Liberal [party. Well, we are always learning something.
Supply-Customs
Mr. ROBB:
If my hon. friend were .occupying the position he formerly held in the government of which he was a distinguished member he would support this vote. Smuggling has been increasing enormously in recent years. High powered automobiles have been used in -this traffic, and the fact that the United States was dry and that there was a temptation to smuggle liquor one way and bring back cigarettes, tobacco and silks has been a contributing factor. In fact, the whole service appeared to be demoralized, and the Acting Minister of Customs and Excise has had to let out some officers who had been trusted but who had been tempted by this traffic. A committee representing importers urged us to apply more strictly the customs laws and prevent smuggling, and it was decided that the minister should be enabled to put on men, known perhaps only to himself and his deputy, not only to watch the smugglers but to see that the officers within the department did their duty.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
I am not object-ting at all to the taking of steps to prevent smuggling. I know there is a great deal of smuggling of whiskey into American territory-
Mr. ROBB:
And into Canada-both ways.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
Well, I do not know to what extent my hon. friends have allowed this matter to drift or how alarming the situation is. I am not objecting to anything being done to put down these offences, but I did rise to object to the appointment [DOT]of officials other than in the legal manner. Of course, if, as the minister says, these officers are to be temporarily employed in protective service; if they are not to go on the pay list in the ordinary way, it is a different matter.
Mr. ROBB:
That is the idea.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
But thait is not the way it is worded. This looks as if we are making a lot of new permanent positions and removing them from the operation of the Civil Service Act. If that is so, I have no hesitation in saying it is wrong.
Mr. ROBB:
That is not the intention at all.
Mr. CARDIN:
All these positions will be temporary.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
How temporary?
Mr. CARDIN:
As long as we are satisfied
with their services.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
That will mean a life job in some cases at least.
Mr. LAPOINTE:
That is an admission on my hon. friend's part.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:
I admit it will be a short period, 'because when we get back into power we will see that this thing is done legally and not in the manner my hon. friend suggests. But when my hon. friend says that, he means they will be permanent so far as he can effect it.
Mr. CARDIN:
Those who have been asking for these appointments have asked that they be made by the minister and not subject to the Civil Service Commission.
Mr. MiEIGHEN: I do not doubt it-chiefly, I suppose, the ones who want the appointments.
Mr. CARDIN:
No, resolutions of boards of trade.