June 25, 1925

LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

According to many reports

of which I have no definite knowledge, the list on which we voted on the plebiscite last fall were made up quite unfairly in many instances. We saw reports in the newspapers in regard to the plebiscite vote that in certain cities in. Ontario thousands of names were placed on the lists that should not have been there at all. I think we would be on safe ground if we took the lists that are absolutely unassailable, prepared for example by the municipal authorities. I tbink I would prefer that in the cities and towns the municipal lists should be taken as a basis and such other names added as might be found necessary. I should like to say to the hon. member for South Wellington (Mr. Guthrie) who tells us that if thousands of names were placed on the list when we voted on the plebiscite last year, those names may be struck off. But if thousands of such names appear on the list we will find a very practical difficulty in having them struck off. It will be difficult to find the names of those who should not be on the list. For that reason I would feel inclined to submit a motion that would have the effect, of making municipal lists the basis in urban districts; and in the rural districts if you like, we could have entirely new lists made up. Then we will be sure of having a voters' list to which no possible exception could be taken.

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CON

William Anderson Black

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLACK (Huron):

Would that not

answer the purpose in the rural parts as well as in the cities and towns?

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LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

I understand the lists there are not quite as up-to-date.

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CON

William Anderson Black

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLACK (Huron):

That has always

been the contention in the rural parts of the province.

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LIB

William Daum Euler

Liberal

Mr. EULER:

If we did that with regard

to the rural parts, I think Ontario would be on exactly the same basis as the prairie provinces.

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CON

William Anderson Black

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLACK (Huron):

I think it has

always been the desire with us to take the clerk's list.

Elections Act

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I understand

a message has been received from the Senate stating that they have agreed to our request for a conference in regard to amendments made by the Senate to Bill No. 182. It would facilitate matters if we could hold the conference this afternoon and I would ask that the [DOT] committee rise and permit the Speaker to read the message. I therefore move that the committee rise, report progress and ask leave to sit again.

Progress reported.

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HOME BANK DEPOSITORS

LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I have the honour to

inform this House that a message has been received to acquaint this House that the Senate doth agree to their request for a free conference desired with the Senate for the purpose of communicating the reasons which induced the Commons not to concur in the amendments made by the Senate to the Bill No. 182, intituled: An Act for the Relief of the Depositors of the Home Bank of Canada; and have appointed the honourable Messieurs Foster (Alma), Foster (the right hon. Sir George), Black, Lougheed (Sir James), Ayles-worth (Sir Allen), and Beique, as managers on their part at the said conference and also that the managers of the free conference on the part of the Senate will meet in Senate Committee room No. 262 at five o'clock this 25th day of June, 1925.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) moved:

That Messrs. Graham, Murphy, Lapointe, Robb, Macdonald (Pictou) and Malcolm, be appointed Managers on behalf of this House of the free conference with the Senate with respect to the amendments made to Bill 182. An Act for the relief of the Depositors of the Home Bank of Canada, and that a message be sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours therewith.

That the Clerk of the House do carry the said mes-jge to the Senate.

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Motion agreed to.


DOMINION ELECTIONS ACT AMENDMENT .


The House resumed consideration in committee of Bill No. 148, to amend the Dominion Elections Act, Mr. Gordon in the chair.


LIB

Charles Murphy (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

The objection taken by the hon. member for North Waterloo (Mr. Euler) to using the lists prepared for the referendum vote last October is an objection which will apply only to this province. The newspapers of the time drew attention to the fact that the list in question contained the names of a great many voters who had either

long since ceased to exercise their franchise or who were unknown in the particular localities in which their names appeared on the list, as well as a variety of other people who, under ordinary circumstances would not have their names upon the list. For that reason it would in my judgment be a mistake to make such a list the basis for a list under this act, and the suggestion made by the hon. gentleman might be followed. My hon. friend from South Wellington pointed out that under part III the old lists may not be available in Ontario, but as the section under consideration applies only to cities it does not seem to me to be an insuperable difficulty, if it is decided to have some system of registration or an adoption of the municipal lists used in the last municipal election immediately preceding the Dominion election.

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Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

How would they get the information for registration?

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LIB

Charles Murphy (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Might a list not be prepared covering the point under consideration?

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Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

It involves

thousands of voters who ordinarily would appear in part III of the list, and the preparation of such a list would entail a tremendous amount of work. If there is a list available why not adopt it and so avoid extra work?

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Charles Murphy (Postmaster General)

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

I do not think there is

available any list in regard to which there would be a consensus of agreement. I know from experience that there is a great deal of work connected with registration, but this is a practical difficulty which must be met in a practical way, and unless some effective method can be devised I think it might be well to adopt that or some other method akin to it.

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CON

Hugh Alexander Stewart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEWART (Leeds):

In the cities

there is a list which is as complete as, and perhaps more complete than, the list that would be used at an election, namely, the list used in a plebiscite, which involves questions of just as much importance and interest as any ordinary election. Why not use that list as a basis?

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George Arthur Brethen

Progressive

Mr. BRETHEN:

I believe that in the

rural districts the lists used in the last plebiscite in Ontario were quite accurate, and practically every name was registered, even on the sworn testimony that those whose names appeared were eligible to vote. Some question was raised in the cities owing to the fact, as alleged, that large numbers that required to be registered within the time at the dis-

Elections Act

posal of the officers were not sworn to by anyone. That was not true in the rural districts. I believe that the plebiscite lists there were as accurate as any lists could be in a rural district, and I think they should be accepted as the basis to go on.

Subsection (1) agreed to on division.

On subsection (2)-Printing provincial lists.

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June 25, 1925