June 24, 1925

LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Pictou):

This is to prevent the monument from falling into disrepair.

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Item agreed to.



Legislation-Library of parliament, $73,620.


LAB

Joseph Tweed Shaw

Labour

Mr. SHAW:

Has any progress been made towards adopting a proper cataloguing system in the library? It is important that this work should' be undertaken. I want to bear my testimony to the efficiency of the library staff. I have had occasion to use the library a great deal and I want to pay my compliments to the officers in charge, but I do think that their work would be much facilitated if parliament authorized and undertook a proper cataloguing system.

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I am glad to hear the remarks of my hon. friend. We have indeed a modest but intelligent and efficient staff in the library. I may inform the hon. member that 31 li

we had a meeting of the Library Joint committee not more than three weeks ago when this very question came up, and the step suggested has already been taken. We shall have a better index than the one we have had for the last two or three years; it will be considerably improved. During the past year I authorized the librarian to send an assistant on a visit to two or three of the largest libraries on the continent to investigate the most modern methods of indexing. I may say that the Hon. Mr. Burrell and Mr. Tache, with their valuable assistants, conduct the library in a very efficient manner.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

Mr. Chairman, I should like to impress upon the House and the government the absolute need of enlarging the library. I know it is impossible to ask the government to add anything to the estimates, but hundred's and hundreds of books are downstairs rotting away in the vaults, and if present conditions continue very valuable documents and books will be destroyed. I wish to add my tribute to that of the member for West Calgary (Mr. Shaw) and His Honour the Speaker as to the efficient staff; they are performing admirable work under most trying conditions. A much larger sum should be voted for housing the books we have and for adding to the library.

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The question came up at the last meeting of the joint committee of the Senate and the Commons, and we have been able to reclaim-if I may use that expression-much of the parliamentary territory from the Senate. It is true indeed that many of the books are stored in the vaults, but we have made a point of putting on the shelves downstairs collections of old papers, very valuable for the data they contain, but not of practical everyday value, and we have set on the shelves of the library proper the books that are most needed. The enlarging of the building is a live question, but in the present financial condition of the country, 1 do not think it would be wise to spend more money for this purpose. In years to come, when there are surpluses in the treasury, we may undertake the work. For the present we are doing pretty well with the accommodation at our disposal.

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PRO

Archibald M. Carmichael

Progressive

Mr. CARMICHAEL:

If I remember correctly, the joint committee on the Library suggested that a change in the present library could very easily and cheaply be made by putting in an extra gallery to take care of the books for which there is now no further shelf room. Could not that be accomplished?

Supply-House nj Commons .

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I would suggest that the wooden floor of the library be replaced with a concrete floor.

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Item agreed to. House of Commons- Salaries $228,185 00Expenses of committees, clerical assistance, etc 84,950 00Contingencies 44,735 00Publishing Debates 60,000 00F.st:mates of Sergeant-at-Arms 178,793 75


LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

It will be observed that there is a decrease in my estimates of $84,550. At the beginning of the session I appointed four translators from the Press Gallery. I selected these young men irrespective of their party leanings, and I have reports from the head of the branch that they are excellent translators. Their names should be included in the item.

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Item agreed to. General- Printing, printing paper and binding 75,000 Printing, binding and distributing the annual statutes 16,000


CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Was there not a question about some order in council as to printing?

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

It was about the printing of the House of Commons. Some years ago the House agreed to pay 25 per cent of the cost of the blue books which are printed by the King's Printer. That question has been settled, and there is now no difficulty.

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Item agreed to. Legislation-House of Commons- To provide a gratuity to W. B. Northrup, M.A., K.C., on his retirement from the position of Clerk of the House of Commons in lieu of six months leave of absence and in accordance with Order-inCouncil P.C. 2203, dated January 7, 1925.. 6 3,000 Clerical assistance to the Speaker, party leaders, whips, officials etc.-further amount required 5,000 To provide for the full sessional indemnity of members of the House of Commons-days lof>t through absence caused by illness, official public business, or on account of death during the present session-notwithstanding anything to the contrary in chapter 10 of the Revised Statutes, an Act respecting the Senate and House of Commons, or any amendments thereto-payment to be made as the Treasury Board may direct 25,850 633,850


LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

This is the usual vote to provide payment of full sessional indemnity to members of the House of Commons who have lost days through illness. Hon. gentle-

men will observe that there is an item of $3,000 to provide a gratuity for Mr. Northrup, the ex-C!erk of the House. Mr. Northrup could hardly fill his post on account of deafness, so he accepted this gratuity, which represents a half year's salary. For many years he was a distinguished member of the House, and then he gave yeoman service as our Clerk. If he had been obliged to retire at the age of seventy, under the act passed last session, he would have received a little over $900 a year. I thought it was not proper that an old public servant like Mr. Northrup should be retired on such a small annuity, so, at my request, the House last year voted him a pension of $2,500.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

The families of those

members who have passed away get the indemnities in full, do they?

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LIB

Item agreed to. Progress reported.


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