June 24, 1925

PRO
LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

It is all through except for the completion of the portion of work on the Severn river which is not yet done. Small marine railways are being used to take the fifteen-ton boats from one point to another of navigation, and the completion of the remaining portion of work is all that is necessary to have the waterway capable of carrying hundreds of thousands of tourists from Georgian bay clear to lake Ontario.

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PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

Does Switzerland build canals to develop the tourist traffic there?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

She does everything of

that kind. She spends millions of dollars developing the scenery and as a consequence cities like Geneva are crowded the year round with tourists. In Germany, instead of building branch railways to places that can be reached otherwise, small waterways are built along which industries are started. Germany is dotted with scenes of this sort. I have been on canals there where they pumped the water from one part into another, and I can assure the committee that the Trent canal is a prince to most of them.

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IND

John Jabez Thurston

Independent

Mr. THURSTON:

For the information of those who criticize the expenditures to develop our natural scenery, I may say that during the tourist season last summer for some two and a half months two little villages in my constituency, each with a branch bank and with a population, one of 800 and the other of 900, took in respectively $44,000 and $27,000 of American money. That gives a slight idea of the value of the tourist traffic to that part of the country.

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PRO

Leland Payson Bancroft

Progressive

Mr. BANCROFT:

Is the tourist traffic

fairly steady, or does it fluctuate? I notice looking back over the record of the work done that the expenditure has always increased around election time and I was wondering whether there was any particular influx of tourists on such occasions.

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LIB

Item agreed to. Welland canal-improvements-revote, $14,000, $151,000.


IND

William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN (York):

Can the Minister of Railways give the House any information regarding the international negotiations that are in progress in connection with the St. Lawrence waterways?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

There is a vote in the

miscellaneous items for $150,000 in connection with the St. Lawrence matter but I promised the leader of the opposition (Mr. Meighen) that I would not bring on the discussion of the subject in his absence.

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LIB
CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

I would impress upon the

minister the importance of having this work completed as soon as possible. The date fixed for the completion of it is 1929 and the fact that American boats are now carrying grain at half a cent a bushel cheaper than it .can be carried on this side will indicate the saving that might be effected if this work were completed. Last summer a party of Americans came over here and they were surprised at the magnitude of the work. They recognized its importance to the grain trade of the country, for it certainly will solve many of our transportation troubles. The work was decided upon after very mature consideration- by the late government and it was intended to be the first undertaking in connection with the St. Lawrence waterway. At the present time no large boats on the upper lakes can go down lake Ontario owing to the canals being so small. Shippers have to use the all-rail route because of lack of progress made in this canal. The fixed charges in connection with this work are considerable. I hope the Progressives will go and see this work, for then they will realize its magnitude and the important factor it will be in our transportation system. Already as a result of our not having this canal thirty-eight elevators are established in Buffalo to-day.

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PRO

Leland Payson Bancroft

Progressive

Mr. BANCROFT:

Mr. Chairman, I rise to a point of order. The hon. member for North Toronto (Mr. Church) is discussing the Welland ship canal, which is not the vote before the House.

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

That is one of the reasons why-there are four or five others-why those elevators have been established there. Let me tell the House that after the next election there is going to be a Ginger party here from Ontario.

Supply-Railways and Canals

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LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

The hon. member is

debating the wrong item. This vote is for the old canal, not the ship canal.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

About three million tons

of wheat alone.

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June 24, 1925