June 19, 1925

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PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

Does the minister not think it would be wise to have a harbour commission, or some way of collecting dues at St. John?

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PRO
PRO

John Millar

Progressive

Mr. MILLAR:

Are they expected to pay on the basis of the interest on the loans made to them?

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PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

No, the regular

port charges collected in other ports such as St. John are collected there. It is not a regular harbour commission. The Marine and Fisheries department have their agent there who collects the dues on the tonnage of the ships as they come to and go from the harbour. In addition to that the city collects revenue from their property.

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PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

We would have to find out from the Department of Marine what revenue is collected there.

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PRO
PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

The dues charged and collected at St. John harbour have been rather exorbitant in the view of the shipping people. Last year the city fathers decided to cut down their tolls because they were driving ships to the United States ports down along the eastern coast. I think possibly the Marine department charges were correspondingly high. Is it the intention of the department to do anything on the Negro point breakwater this year?

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PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

That whole situation is being very carefully canvassed now with the transportation companies, the city and the engineering department. The question of further development in St. John I think requires very careful consideration, and the whole matter is being carefully gone into.

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PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

Will this vote complete the harbour work at St. John and Courtenay bay?

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PRO
PRO
PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

It depends on

the plan adopted. If the Courtenay bay scheme were proceeded with to the full extent it would mean a large expenditure. If there should be developments which we are trying

Supply-Harbours and Rivers

to arrange I think a very large sum could be saved, and that matter is under consideration now with a view to saving money if we *can.

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Arthur John Lewis

Progressive

Mr. LEWIS:

Does the government not

think it advisable to look over the situation and call a halt in the matter of great expenditures and future developments? I do not think the commerce of the country would suffer one io'ta if we cut out seven-tenths of the expenditure which we have been making; we would be in a much better position financially, and it would give a great *deal of hope to the Canadian people who are under a burden at the present time.

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UFA

William Thomas Lucas

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. LUCAS:

Is there any congestion at

the port of St. John at the present time?

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PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

Not at this

season of the year. It is a winter port, and in the winter time they suffer from congestion. In regard to the tonnage last year, 14.000 head of cattle were shipped and I think eight or nine million bushels of wheat passed through. In addition to that there was a great deal of produce and other merchandise.

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UFA

William Thomas Lucas

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. LUCAS:

I think under present conditions the government should go very slowly in regard to spending a large amount of money on ports in the east. We have to provide duplicate facilities in the east to handle our business, and I think they could very well put up with a little congestion at times in order to cut down expenses, especially when we are up against the conditions which exist at the present time.

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UFA

William Thomas Lucas

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. LUCAS:

I was in St. John a year ago, and Courtenay bay looked to me like a new project that was being undertaken. If you are going to develop that info a new port it is going to take an immense amount of money and will only be used a few months in the year. Then we have to go up to Montreal and Quebec and provide another set of facilities in those places. I think the government would be well advised if they would proceed very slowly in commencing any projects of 'this nature.

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Item agreed to. Toronto harbour-improvements, $281,000.


June 19, 1925