June 19, 1925

LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

It depends on what government is in.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

What is the

estimated cost of a bell ringer to run the carillon?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

Perhaps you could use

Carillon power for that.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

We would then be using at lea^t some of that power locally; we would have it here anyway. Seriously, I think the government should reconsider 'some of these items. They are purely gold paint and luxuries. Diamonds are a first-rate thing if you can afford them, but we cannot, the country simply cannot stand it, more particularly in view of the votes that have been pushed through this House. The country simply cannot stand further expenditures that do not mean anything to us in return one way or the other. Just take, for example, that one item in this vote which we had up before, for ornamental lighting. Special lighting is to cost us $30,000. Cannot we get along with the lighting as it is now? We have lighting far better here than most of the ratepayers in this country have anywhere. Are not the ratepayers paying pretty nearly enough as it is now for comforts and luxuries around here without this further expenditure? The government are making great claims outside about economy and the like, and here they are spending $30,000 more just under the head of special lighting. I seriously appeal to the government to reduce this vote.

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George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

I would like to second that appeal. We surely ought to be able to do without any extra lights here for another year. If we are going to have money enough to take care of all these items and those contained in the supplementaries, we shall have to save a little here and there as we go along. I really think the government might cut out this extra amount for lighting, and also cut out the amount which the minister has here for carvings. I think there is too much money being spent on carving stone around the parliament buildings. We can get along just i as well without it.

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John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

I think probably my hon. friend is unnecessarily worried. This is the national building of Canada, and it would be a disgrace if the people of Canada did not complete this building. Canada is not in such a shape that we cannot complete our own national building. It is a handsome building, and it is going to be a great credit to the people of Canada. Why do my hon. friends suggest that we should not go on with the carving and masonry work in the memorial chamber? I am sure if my hon. friend would go down to the shop where this carving is being done and see the nature of the work, and what is going to come out of the work when it is placed in the memorial chamber, he would hold up both hands for the completion, because it is going to be of great interest to him and to the people of Canada, as well as to visitors who come to this country.

In regard to the lighting, we have not hurried in the matter, but this building is nearing completion. I do not propose to put in extravagant lighting, but I think in fairness we should have the estimate voted, leaving it to our judgment as to what should be gone on With. In the Senate there are only temporary fixtures at the present time. There is an important chamber of this parliament, and are we to say that we are not going to light that chamber properly, but let it use lights such as one would probably use in his home? I do not think that is the way to look at it. We are here representing the people of Canada, and I think we should vote this amount and complete the building.

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John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

There is a considerable amount done. I think my hon. friend would be very much interested if he went and saw what is being done.

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Arthur John Lewis

Progressive

Mr. LEWIS:

In regard to the carving, I

can readily understand that as far as the memorial chamber is concerned, it might be advisable to complete that, but anyone who looks anywhere around this building will notice stones that are still in the rough. There are at least forty of them around this chamber.

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John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

I agree that there are many years of work yet. Even around this chamber there is work to be done, but I would not suggest that that should be done now.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I do not want

to delay the committee, but I do want to earnestly protest against this vote.

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Donald MacBeth Kennedy

Progressive

Mr. KENNEDY (Edmonton):

Has the

question of keeping down the temperature in this chamber during the hot weather ever been investigated?

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John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. KING (Kootenay):

The condition

my hon. friend complains of is probably due to the humidity. The system we have of controlling the temperature is supposed to be thoroughly up-to-date. The air is brought in over a refrigerating plant and is not admitted to the chamber until it has been washed and dried. I think if my hon. friend would enquire into the system he would probably be satisfied that everything possible is being done in that regard.

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Arthur John Lewis

Progressive

Mr. LEWIS:

The heated condition of the chamber is possibly due to the humidity, and I suggest that the dropping of cold water on the air before it is admitted may increase that humidity and add to the oppressiveness.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

The whole trouble, as the minister knows very well, is that the air admitted to the chamber is drawn from the courtyard adjoining and consequently we are doing the best we can to artificially cook ourselves. The air brought mto the old chamber was drawn from a conduit pipe on the bank of the river. That conduit pipe still exists, and if we just expend a small fraction of the money we throw away on ornate structures, bells, and the like in bringing cool air through this pipe, there would be a remarkable difference in the air of this chamber. But apparently that is not the idea; it is preferable to have the present expensive arrangement which results in such effective cooking.

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June 19, 1925