June 12, 1925

LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I assure my hon.

friend that he will have no trouble in the matter at all.

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON (West York):

Mr. Speaker, it does seem to me that the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Motherwell) is defeating rather than attaining his object. We had understood that there was real necessity for this legislation, namely, in order that action might be taken definitely and quickly when occasion required. I do not personally know anything about the constitution of this society, but if, as the hon. member for Victoria and Carleton (Mr. Caldwell) has said, this society is represented in 269

different provinces from coast to coast, I do not see how any quick action can be taken.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The secretary lives in Ottawa.

. Sir HENRY DRAYTON: The secretary is not the association. While the secretary may have been consulted by the minister in the past, that is merely a matter of common sense, not a matter of legal requirement. If this amendment is accepted the minister's hands are tied until he calls that meeting.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

No.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Well, the act

says so.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I am perfectly satisfied with it the way it is.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I will address

myself then, to the Minister of Justice (Mr. Lapointe), I think he will agree that according to this amendment, before there is any action the minister must have a consultation or conference with the Horticultural Council of Canada-I do not think there is any-

4 p.m. thing very much in the matter of the name. Suppose an emergency arises and there is real necessity for the legislation; if the minister acts without such conference or consultation with the Canadian Horticultural Council, his action is illegal and void. The secretary is merely the servant of the organization. If the wording was, "after consultation with the secretary," then something could be done at once and without expense, but as it is now the situation is as I have stated it.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. ERNEST LAPOINTE (Minister of Justice):

Mr. Speaker, I admit that this is

a most extraordinary amendment, for the reasons suggested not only by the hon. member for West York (Sir Henry Drayton) but also by the right hon. leader of the opposition (Mr. Meighen) when he pointed out that consultation does not mean approval. It seems almost absurd. The Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Motherwell) was of the opinion that he could get along with the amendment as it is, but I would rather suggest that some time be devoted to a consideration of the matter.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Miniser):

On other occasions conferences have been held between the two Houses on matters of this kind and an amicable arrangement has been arrived at. I should think that instead of debating the proposed amendment further we might ask for

Criminal Code

a conference with the other House, and I am sure that a satisfactory arrangement can be made.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Carried.

Mr. Carroll moved the adjournment of the debate.

Motion agreed to and debate adjourned.

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CRIMINAL CODE AMENDMENT


The House resumed from June 9 consideration in committee of Bill No. 147 to amend the criminal code-Hon. Mr. Lapointe-Mr. Gordon in the chair.


LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Sections one, two,

three and four have been carried. The section to be considered is number five.

On section 5-Agricultural fairs granted partial exemption from penalty clauses.

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William Charles Good

Independent Progressive

Mr. GOOD:

Has not this clause been objected to rather strongly by a deputation that interviewed the government some months ago?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Yes, there have been

objections to the clause. On the other hand, it has been very strongly urged by the principal agricultural fairs, more particularly those which are subsidized by the Department of Agriculture, and that department has recommended the clause. As my hon. friend will see, the specially objectionable games are excluded.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Would the minister explain what those games are?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

I think my ignorance

of the punch board or coin table game is just as complete as that of my right hon. friend.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

I think my hon. friend

the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Motherwell) since he has joined the United Church of Canada may be better qualified than I a.m to explain the nature of these games.

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June 12, 1925