June 11, 1925

LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

We are not increasing the

vote, we are decreasing it.

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CON

Donald Sutherland

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

I am not in favour

of increasing it under present conditions, as was argued by the hon. member for North Toronto (Mr. Church). People are finding fault with this country but the country is all right. It is the government we have in this country to-day that is all wrong.

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An hon. MEMBER:

Tell that to someone else.

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CON

Donald Sutherland

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

I have said this

before. I have criticized not only this government but previous governments for their shortcomings in many respects.

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CON

Donald Sutherland

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

But we were never

in such desperate straits as we are to-day having to meet a burden in connection with our national debt which is increasing at the rate of something like $100,000,000 per year. There is only one place for us to end up if this continues. If it was a private individual he would be in the hands of the sheriff; but I do not know who would make foreclosure in the case of a government that is pursuing such a reckless policy as this one is. We cannot go on as we are going-that is absolutely certain. It may be that we will require a Mussolini, or some dictator, to take control of matters and put them on a business basis; but just as sure as the sun rises in the morning, this policy cannot continue* without absolute ruin overtaking us. We are going behind at the rate of $100,000,000 per year without any serious

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attempt being made by the government to meet this condition and to curtail expenses. On the contrary there is a most lavish expenditure going on in the various departments of the government which should not be allowed.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

When the hon. member

who has just resumed his seat was speaking, I could not help thinking of an old saying that "so long as a boiler can blow off steam it is safe". But a boiler blowing off steam never does any good; it just makes a noise and nobody pays any heed to it. The hon. member for East Calgary (Mr. Irvine) made a remark -I do not know that it is worth taking notice of considering the personality of the gentleman who uttered it-that I was rather lazy in doing my work in the House. I think there is not another hon. member in this House, outside of that hon. gentleman, who would have so little regard for himself as to make a statement of that kind. I have been a member for four years and during those four sessions there have only been five occasions when I have not been in my seat either in the afternoon or in the evening, when the House was opened. I think that is at least an indication that I am attending to my duties and looking after the interests of the people who sent me here.

A great deal has been said about people leaving Canada, 'but I do not intend to take up much of the time of the House in dealing with this matter. When I pick up a newspaper and read such things and then listen to what is said here, it sets me thinking. The other day I came across a copy of the Vernon News. It has been a Tory paper ever since it was started, and therefore I think we can rely upon what it says. A certain man who had spent six months in California, upon returning to Canada made this statement:

The lure of the south should be forgotten for it is largely a myth.

He stated that while it is true that wages are fairly high in the country to the south, it is equally true that the cost of living is high also. Many workmen are out of employment, indeed many are in destitute circumstances; and then he advises people who are inclined to go to the south to think seriously before taking that step, and he winds up by saying "Canada is far ahead of California". I turn to another paper and I read that "in Philadelphia last year there were 155 murders and 176 people committed suicide. Is that an indication of prosperity in the States?

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PRO

Alan Webster Neill

Progressive

Mr. NEILL:

It would suggest that the undertakers were prosperous!

(Mr. Sutherland.]

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

That may be. Then I turn

to what President Coolidge says. He states that there is eight times as much crime in the United States to-day as there is in Great Britain. And yet we hear a lot about the numbei; of people who are out of employment in the Mother Country. Surely we should pay some attention to what the press of the United States says. Then I turn to another paper- a good Conservative paper too-and it speaks of two1 spinning mills being started in Vancouver that are going to employ 150 people. I read in the same paper that in the month of May in Vancouver there were 670 permits taken out to build houses at a valuation of $2,929,385. Does that look as if this country is going to ruin? If it does why should they build these houses.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

Then I read in the Financial Times that this country is entering upon a wave of prosperity that it has not experienced for years, and I think that that statement is correct. Bearing these facts in mind why should the time of this House be taken up day after day, and week after week, in trying to hold Canada up to ridicule, and to condemn the members of the government and the country for political reasons. That is why this propaganda is being carried on and for no other purposes. Is that why we are sent down here and paid salaries for? Is that what the people of Canada want us to consume the time of the House with? If it is, I do not want to come back.

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CON
PRO

Donald MacBeth Kennedy

Progressive

Mr. KENNEDY (Edmonton):

I should like to have a statement from the minister regarding the colonization associations which are getting or likely to get grants this year.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

There is a grant to the Salvation Army of $25,000, and to the Scottish Emigration Aid Society of $5,000, and under the heading " unforeseen " an amount of $5,000 making a total of $35,000.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

What is being done for

these immigrants on their arrival in the country to endeavour to direct them in the right way towards getting on the land either in the western prairie provinces, in northern Ontario-for example-or in Quebec, or in the Maritime provinces? What efforts are being made by the department to look after them after their arrival in this country?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

There is pretty complete

direction work carried on now from all parts of Canada, not only by the officers of the department, but outside of them. There are throughout this country interested people in different communities who do everything they can to help the newcomer to get settled. There is excellent cooperation between the department and the citizens already in the country.

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PRO

Robert Alexander Hoey

Progressive

Mr. HOEY:

Do the officers of the Soldiers Settlement Board help in any way?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

Yes, they help very materially.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I think one of the troubles has been, not only at the present time but in the past-and I am not particularly offering any criticism of this government in regard ot it, but of all governments-that there has been too much tendency when immigrants came to this country to give them no attention after they got here, but simply to let them look out for themselves, so to speak. I think that in the future we should all, whatever government is in power, make a greater endeavour than in the past to give proper attention to people who are coming here, from foreign lands particularly, but even to people coming from the British Isles. These people are coming to a new country, and1 it is difficult for them to acclimatize themselves, if they ore absolutely neglected by the government. I remember well a letter written some years ago by a good Liberal friend of the present government, Mr. John King-

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I know him very well.

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June 11, 1925