June 10, 1925

LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The territory my hon. friend speaks of is not irrigated.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The people there are asking for a supply of water from the main canal of the Canada Land and Irrigation Company and we have authority to deal with that request. The New West organization, which is a reasonably flourishing project, was organized under provincial auspices. The water is being delivered to them, and we can do the same for other

people. The contractors that I spoke of are those having existing contracts on the Canada Land and Irrigation project. We have power to reduce their contract price, and I am looking into that matter now with a view to making a reduction to encourage and hold these people who are on irrigated lands, and are meeting with a reasonable amount of success. But clearly I do not want to take on a new project until something at least is done with the other. In any case they could organize themselves into an irrigation district and float their bonds as the others have.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

But they

have no funds to do anything of this kind with: they are practically bankrupt, every one of them. They are in a desperate state and awaiting relief. Just in connection with that, I received only this morning a letter which I think it is perhaps just as well to give the substance of to the minister at this moment. He may be able to give me an answer at once. It would appear that the Canada Land and Irrigation Company is not yet liquidated, and therefore is still in possesion of the works. Now there is a certain bridge, between sections 1-19-22-W4, and sections 35-18-22-W4, which was condemned last year. Nobody has been able to do any work on it, and the Canada Land and Irrigation Company ignore it; they refuse to do anything. The bridge itself is impassable, and yet it is on a most important-road, the road that goes from Brooks to High River. In addition, note that it is practically the only road by which the farmers west and south of Milo can get into Milo. I think it would be well if the minister would give out instructions to have this matter looked after at once.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I may say

that that matter is being taken care of. The engineers have instructions tp pick out the more important bridges and repair them first. Unfortunately most of the bridges on this project are out of repair. I was hopeful that we would not need to repair them all, except on the more important highways of traffic. I feel quite confident that the bridge my hon. friend mentions is being taken care of, and I shall be very glad to wire out definite instructions if he will give me the exact location.

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Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

I will hand over the letter to the minister. I received it only this morning, so he will recognize that the bridge is a very recent cause of trouble. The farmers in that district will be absolutely unable to take advantage of the new railroad

Supply-Interior

tuat is being built unle'ss they can get this bridge repaired.

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Robert Gardiner

Progressive

Mr. GARDINER:

In case of a revision of the contract prices downwards, will the^ minister be able to maintain that in case of a disposition of this area of land to some other company?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Oh yes.

They will be given new contracts, just as the Canadian Pacific did in their case. We have the authority of the receiver for doing this, passed upon by the bond holders, by whose authority the receiver was appointed. I was very careful to get the Justice department to protect us in that matter, in order that we might give that very necessary relief.

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Robert Gardiner

Progressive

Mr. GARDINER:

I believe you have appointed the late manager to supervise this matter under your jurisdiction. Has the minister looked into the question of this man's ability to give proper supervision without undue cost?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Yes. I have known Mr. Hays quite a number of years. I have known him as a consulting engineer, and employed him in Alberta. When he took over that project it was in very bad shape. The company was practically out of business, but he carried it along on a shoestring for years until, of course, he could not carry it on any longer. But in addition to that our own engineer, Mr. Meek, is acting in a supervisory capacity to Mr. Hays, as the resident manager.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The Western Canada Irrigation Association was organized in a small way in 1907. For a great many years it was the practice of the department to make an annual grant of $500.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

For the purpose of publishing the annual report of the convention. In 1919 it was decided that the government report should no longer be published, but the grant was increased in that year to $1,000, and from then on an annual grant of $1,000 has been made. Instead of publishing the report of the annual convention the association now issues a monthly bulletin, The Irrigation Review, which is sent out to all water users free of charge.

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Item agreed to. To provide for the expenses connected with Canadian National Parks, historic sites, care of indigents in the parks, etc., and to reimburse the provincial government for the salaries of police magistrates at Banff and at Jasper, $1,025,000.


CON

David Spence

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPENCE:

Would the minister be

good enough to explain the increase of $25,000 in this item? It seems an unreasonable increase.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

We find

ourselves from time to time up against rather serious expenditures. A year ago we had to install a power plant at Banff, which ran our expenditure up by over $150,000. I am trying to keep the expenditure as close as I can to $1,000,000, but this year we find a rather serious situation in Jasper, owing to having to provide a water supply, which will cost us in the neighbourhood of $80,000. There is a fairly large municipality growing up there, and unless something is done of a radical character we may find ourselves with an epidemic on our hands. This has increased the amount of the vote, in spite of our cutting down on other expenditures, and largely accounts for this increase of $25,000.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Oh yes.

This is not a capitalized expenditure. We take it out of the revenue account, and then make a charge to the water users.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I would like to make a

suggestion to the minister in regard to this item and the rest of this vote. It is getting pretty late, and this is a very large and very important item. I cannot speak for my hon. friends to my left, but I wanted to make this suggestion: We might let this large item stand, and then pass the subsequent^ items, which are of less importance. I think we should leave this large item over for discussion when it is not quite so late.

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June 10, 1925