June 10, 1925

PRO

Henry Elvins Spencer

Progressive

Mr. SPENCER:

Is every - opportunity

given to incoming settlers to get hold of the land classification maps and the information pertaining thereto?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Yes.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

What is the difference between the Topographical survey and the Geodetic survey?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The Geodetic survey is for the purpose of establishing fixed points from which the Topographical survey begins its work.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

What benefits are

derived from these surveys, and is there to be any end to them?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The Geodetic survey are establishing these fixed points for all time, for all surveys and mapping.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

In what provinces has this topographical work been done?

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

I do not think this should be repeated; the information has already been given as to the different provinces. Why should we have to sit here and listen to this all over again for the benefit of an hon. member who was not in?

[Mr. G. A. Stewart.1

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I can give

my hon. friend the figures for each province in respect to land survey, topographical survey, classification of lands, control and exploratory surveys, governing surveys, supervision, inspection, and surveys unprovided for. They are as follows:

Maritime provinces $27,700

Quebec 10,000

Ontario 8.260

Manitoba 18,160

Saskatchewan 21.250

Alberta 23.387

British Columbia 15.500

Northwest Territories 15,240

Total $139,947

There are nineteen parties engaged in the work.

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Item agreed to. Investigations, reconnaissance, triangulation, precise levelling, geodetic astronomy, etc., $270,500.


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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The Triangulation division will spend $72,000 during the fiscal year on the selection and preparation of stations, tower building, angular measurements and precise traverse. The operations are located as follows:

(a) British Columbia $12,500

The parties which have been working for several years along the British Columbia coast net have completed this net and in 1925 will continue eastward from Prince Rupert along the Canadian National. Triangulation will alternate with precise traverse in this area.

The Surveyor General of British Columbia urgently requires triangulation

[DOT] in a number of areas. He has indicated the above area as one of the most urgently required, and, as his needs fit in with the programme of the development of the Canadian triangulation, it has been selected for this year's operations.

(b) Prairie provinces $15,100

During the present season it is expected that most of the triangulation along the 49th parallel being prosecuted in conjunction with the United States Coast and Geodetic survey will be completed. This work will be the base of all future triangulation operations which may be required in tho prairie provinces.

(c) Upper Ottawa river $12,500

Operations in this area will be a continuation of those of 1924 and will begin above Pembroke. It is anticipated that operations will reach lake Timiskaming by the fall of 1925.

Both the Ontario and Quebec governments are particularly interested in this net, and the former is spending quite a sum of money to connect the land surveys to all of the stations of the geodetic trian julation.

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(d) Northern Queued $10,100

These parties are working south along the Quebec and Lake St. John railway and will complete their work to the St.

Lawrence river in 1925, thus completing a loop to and up the Saguenay river to lake St. John and south to Three Rivers, which is of great importance in the geographical work of northern Quebec.

A start will also be made on a triangulation net westward along the Transcontinental railway

(e) Gulf of St Lawrence $3,800

Only reconnaissance for the laying out of future work will be carried on in this area, and by the fall of 1925 it is anticipated that the selection of stations will be completed as far east as the straits of Belle Isle. This net is of great importance both to the province of Quebec and as a base for hydrographic surveys.

(f) Maritime provinces $18,700

Triangulation of the bay of Chaleur will be completed this year, as well as most of the triangulation along the east coast of New Brunswick. These nets will serve as a base for hydrographic surveys, and also have been in great demand by the province of New Brunswick as a base for geographic work in that province.

2. Mount Logan climb $2,300

The department is paying the expenses of one of its own officers-on the attempt to climb mount Logan, which is being sponsored by the Alpine Club of Canada.

This officer is one of the most experienced mountain climbers in the government service.

3. Base lines $4,500

Three base lines are being measured to check the distances calculated from the triangulation at three points in eastern Canada. One will be measured near-Three Rivers, Quebec, a second near Pembroke and a third near lake Timis-kaming in Quebec.

4. Geodetic astronomy $3,500

Eight triangulation stations will be occupied as laplace stations during the coming season. Five of these will be along the 49th parallel triangulation and three in eastern Ontario and Quebec_ These

stations are inserted at intervals along the triangulation nets to add to their accuracy

5. Precise levelling $27,800

Five main parties are being placed in the field in 1925, two in Alberta, one in southern British Columbia, one in southern Ontario and a fifth in the province of Quebec. One part of the work in the latter area is to check a line of levels [DOT] already rim along the south shore of the St. Lawrence river to aid in determining the extent of the earthquake movements in the lower St. Lawrence of last spring.

6. City surveying $9,000

This is simply carrying out the programme followed in the last three years in making an experimental area of the city of London to determine the best methods of city survey work for the benefit of other Canadian cities.

7. Instruments, Books, etc $4,000

This sum is provided for the purchase of new equipment which, owing to many improvements in instruments for geodetic work, will enable our Canadian Geodetic survey to carry on more efficiently.

8. General Expenses $18,190

This sum is provided to take care of all such items of general expense as expenses at head office, freight, telephone, charwomen, and all such expenses as are not chargeable to principal divisions of the work.

9. Salaries $128,510

Total $270,500

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The purpose of the astronomical observations is to fix definite points of longitude and for straightening out the triangulation.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

I see that item No. 234 covers topographical and general surveys for forestry, settlement and so on. I turn over to page 54, and under item No. 279, under Dominion lands and parks, there is the enormous sum of $1,185,000 for the protection of timber, also for the surveys of forest resources, and research in forestry. There is an increase in that item of $35,000. Can the minister, although we are not on that item, but in order to help us with the one we are discussing, tell us how much of that $1,185,000 is devoted to forest surveys?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

None of it. It is all for protective purposes. That is in the Forestry department itself. The surveys are done by the Topographical Surveys branch, but the preservation of the forests is in the hands of the forestry officials.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

The increase in vote No. 279 would have no bearing on the decrease in the other vote?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

No.

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Item agreed to. To compensate the Timiskaming and Northern Ontario Railway Commission in connection with their claim for injury to John Hedin, $240.


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June 10, 1925