June 9, 1925


The House in committee of Supply, Mr. Gordon in the chair. Mail subsidies and steamship subventions-Pacific ocean-Canada and New Zealand on the Pacific ocean, service between, $100,000.


LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Hen. T. A. LOW (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Chairman, this subsidy is

the same as last year. The contract is for five years, the payments are monthly and there is a monthly service. Our imports from New Zealand last year amounted to $2,331,185, against exports of $12,888,672. The contract is with the Union Steamship Company of New Zealand.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

What is the income of :he private steamship line to which the subsidy has been paid?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

We receive the statements in

confidence and are not supposed to reveal their contents.

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PRO
LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

No, unless you are commanded to do so by a special committee of the House.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Mr. Chairman, I do not wish the minister to break any confidence, but may I suggest that we are here as trustees of the people, and are being asked to again vote a large subsidy to a private s'eamship firm. The minister is unwilling, -and I do not blame him in this case-to

Supply-Trade and Commerce

give information as to the net or gross earnings of this company. The company may not need any subsidy at all, it may be carrying on a very profitable trade indeed. How much of this subsidy is for trading purposes, and how much for (he carriage of mails?

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PRO
LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

There are two boats, one of

13,000 tons and the other of 22,000 tons.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Has the government

any control of rates on these boats; how is it exercised; and what have been the customary rates on account of the subsidy?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

The government have control

of the rates. Any company receiving a subsidy submits its rates to the department for approval.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

The subsidy is paid for the

purpose of securing a regular service between Canada and New Zealand, and also for the carriage of the mails.

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Robert Gardiner

Progressive

Mr. GARDINER:

The minister stated a

moment ago that he controlled the rates. How do the rates on this line controlled by him compare with the Conference rates?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I understand that the same

rates are charged from all Pacific coast ports. If there are any complaints as to the rates, we investigate them.

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Robert Gardiner

Progressive

Mr. GARDINER:

Then the minister to

all intents and purposes does not control the rates?

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LIB

June 9, 1925