June 9, 1925


Item agreed to. Sydney and Bay St. Lawrence, calling at way ports, steam service between, $18,000.


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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

The contract was entered into

in 1924. The contractors are the North Shore Steamship Company, of Sydney. The boat was wrecked last year and we called for tenders. The lowest tender received was $20,000, but we succeeded in reducing it to $18'000.

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LIB
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LIB
PRO

Donald Ferdinand Kellner

Progressive

Mr. KELLNER:

From what the minister

says it would almost seem that if a company's boat is wrecked, or for some other reason a contractor wants more money, about all he has to do to get it is to put in a tender. Surely there must be a limit above which the government refuses to go.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I am sure if my hon. friend

lived in an isolated territory he would regard it as the duty of the government to provide some kind of service for the people in that territory, just as it is the duty of the government to try to provide railway service for people living in the interior. These people have no other service than the steamship service.

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PRO

Donald Ferdinand Kellner

Progressive

Mr. KELLNER:

If these were compassionate allowances it might be different, but I thought the matter was being dealt with as a business undertaking.

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Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

That is what it is-to provide service for these people.

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PRO

Donald Ferdinand Kellner

Progressive

Mr. KELLNER:

I cannot gather that

from the remarks the minister has just made. It certainly sounded to me as though business never entered into the matter. The people simply needed the service and it was decided to give it to them. The cost was not an important consideration at all.

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LIB

William F. Carroll

Liberal

Mr. CARROLL:

This service starts from

Sydney and follows a route which is one of the stormiest on the whole coast of America. It goes between St. Paul's island and Cape North, and it is near there that the old boat was lost last fall. The old boat cost about $27,000 and the present boat is costing in the vicinity of $70,000. They did not want to enter into a contract at all, and I do not believe they would have given a service here had it not been for the fact that last September or thereabouts plaster works were opened at Ingonish, which is one of the way ports and quite a populous place, and they thought they might make something out of passenger traffic down the coast. There is no railway through any part of this place. It is a mountainous country and it is impossible to take goods through there on auto trucks or anything else. As the minister has said, the contract was entered into for $2,000 less than the lowest tender.

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Donald Ferdinand Kellner

Progressive

Mr. KELLNER:

It is a question whether

it would not be better for the people to move out of there. If they are in an isolated section of the country I do not see why they should want to continue to live there. If you would adopt the same principle that is followed in the west, that is, refuse to give them railroad service or any facilities at all for communication with the rest of the country, they would get out, the same as our farmers and residents in the west are doing. But we have a different country and a different class of citizens. We have a country in which it is possible to produce a very large tonnage of exportable grain, whereas in the district now under discussion the only thing produced, I understand, is a relatively small quantity of fish. If it is good business to keep a few people isolated in a frontier settlement like this, I do not see why it should not be better

Supply-Trade and Commerce

business to keep a large number of people in a prosperous community in the west. In view of the number of subsidies we are passing in these estimates, there is very little justification for the refusal of the Department of Railways to build the Peace river outlet.

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Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

What was the

old service under the former vote of $9,000, and what is the new service to be? That may account for the difference.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

It is the same service. The

difference is in the cost of the boat.

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Item agreed to. Sydney and Whycocomagh, steam service between, $13,000.


June 9, 1925