May 28, 1925

LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

No, because oleo

oils do not come from the hog, while lard is usually from the hog.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

I submit that it is wide

enough to include lard, and I think the minister ought to reconsider this definition.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is a question whether lard is ever used for the same purposes as butter. It may be; I do not know.

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PRO

Robert Alexander Hoey

Progressive

Mr. HOEY:

Would this not apply to

cream cheese?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Lard is entirely

a cooking compound. There is no fear of its being sold as butter.

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CON

Leon Johnson Ladner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LADNER:

Both lard and butter are

used for many cooking , purposes. The minister's antipathy to oleomargarine has led him to an extreme of description that will bring trouble to the department and to the country.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I have no antipathy to it. I thought we were better without it; that is all. You cannot have this working both ways:

And are prepared for the same use as butter.

If butter is sometimes used as lard, I do not know of any such use. I can recall when lard was used as butter as a spread on bread.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

Did the minister ever hear

the word "kitchen" used

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Yes-a very long

time ago.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

Would that not apply? It

is an old-fashioned word, I know.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

It is a colloquial

term. I do nqt think it is put on the market.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

I think the minister is too

careful altogether. He is so determined that butter will be put on a high shelf by itself that he does not dare to let anything come within approaching distance of it. He uses the word "oleomargarine" to include margarine that never saw oleo of any bind.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

If my hon. friend

knew what we have to compete against in the British market with other countries much

more adapted to dairying than we are, he would realize that we must have sufficient restrictions to be able to prosecute and secure convictions. We are asking for nothing that we have not found to be quite necessary in carrying out any prosecutions we undertake. We have to be able to prove our case right to the hilt, or the decision goes against the government. I can assure my hon. friend that this is not being done with any pernickety desire at all. Further, I know, and I am sure the hon. member for Victoria City (Mr. Tolmie) and the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar) know, and as times goes on we shall all get to know intimately, that we are to-day, far more than ever we were before, under the necessity of successfully competing in the markets of the world with countries in the Antipodes, such as New Zealand and Australia. A necessary feature of that is to see that law-breakers are presecuted and that they do not do anything which will prejudice our goods in another market. All I want to do is in a general way to improve the quality of farm produce, and in every possible way to encourage the idea of paying on the basis of quality. That is our policy all along the line as regards dairy products or anything else. That is absolutely imposed upon us by the markets of the world to-day, and I am referring particularly to the main market, the ' British market. These products come from all parts of the world, and one phase of the procedure is to be able to control the situation at home in order that our goods may arrive abroad in proper condition. I would be sorry to impose any restriction which we could do without. I have no antipathy to oleomargarine. We discussed it very fully; it is not an issue just now, but we did not have a definition before, and now we have to give it a definition.

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PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

Of course the last part

of the minister's remarks do not apply. They are an argument against oleomargarine. The question before us is to get a definition of oleomargarine that will be adequate and yet not too exclusive. I imagine this definition would include such a substance as peanut butter that is put on the market under its own name, and properly used.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

It would not include peanut butter.

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PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

Beyond all doubt, peanut

butter would come within the scope of this definition. It is a food substance and it certainly has some origin. The definition says

Dairy Industry Act

"of whatever origin." Peanut butter is a composition; it has the appearance of and is prepared for the same use as butter.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I presume my hon. friend has seen peanut butter?

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PRO
LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

It does not resemble butter made from milk fat. It is quite dark.

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PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Progressive

Mr. BROWN:

It depends upon what

degree of resemblance is asked for.

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May 28, 1925