May 26, 1925

LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I will have this ease looked

into and1 give my hon. friend whatever information we have with regard to it. I am not finding fault with the soldier; I just want to say that I think in this case he fell in among Philistines or thieves. But that was not the general policy of the administration at the time, because a special arrangement was made with the agricultural implement people under which the implements were purchased at a discount which amounted to 81,220,572.

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CON

Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

Was there a rate of discount set?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

There must have been.

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CON

Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

It seems strange that there should be a rate of discount when every item on this inventory happens to end in even money-$5, $10 and so on.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

We will have it looked into.

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CON

Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

What is the minister's policy in regard to these chattels?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

This bill provides nothing for

chattels.

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CON

Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

Has the government any

legislation in view?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

No further legislation. When

we have the bill here I will arrange to have a representative of the board present so that he may answer any questions.

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PRO

Alan Webster Neill

Progressive

Mr. NEILL:

While there may be individual cases of hardship in connection with chattels, as mentioned by my hon. friend (Mr. Harris), I think it will be found on examination that the men themselves do not want a revaluation of chattels because the chattels are worth more to-day than when they were purchased. I think that is the general feeling.

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CON

Joseph Henry Harris

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HARRIS:

Because the duty was taken off.

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PRO

Alan Webster Neill

Progressive

Mr. NEILL:

There we go, into the tariff

again. We cannot start any discussion without somebody on my right bringing up the question of the tariff. I want to keep away from the tariff. As I say, the men do not want their chattels revalued, for that reason; but they certainly do want their stock and land revalued. I regret very much to see the change from 60 and 40 per cent to 40 and 20 per cent, because it seems to me it was tantamount to a pledge given to the soldiers of this country last year when the present Minister of the Interior moved concurrence in the report of the soldiers' committee. It happened

in this way: The committee made certain recommendations, one of which was this 60 and 40 per cent provision, and they also recommended some other items in connection, I think, with interest charges. When the matter came up for concurrence the minister moved an amendment to strike out the paragraph referring to the interest charges. His language-I have it here-was: That means the acceptance of the balance of the report. The leader of the opposition then raised the point of order that there could be no recommendation for the expenditure of public money by a committee, and later on the Speaker decided that it was out of order. But we had it on record that a minister of the crown was willing to concur in this 60 and 40 per cent provision. That went out to the country; members went home and told their constituents that that was going to be done-at least, that it was the pledge of the government. I have not heard the explanation of the minister now-whether he looked further into it, or what it is, I do not know. It seems to me there will be some difficulty in offering an explanation of that change of front. What is the policy, may I ask, as regards the revaluation of land?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

In reference to the incident of last year when the report of the committee was brought down in the House, if my hon. friend will look at Hansard I think he will find I stated on that occasion that as nearly as I could estimate, if the recommendations of the committee were all carried out it would involve a reduction in the collection of funds alone to the soldiers of some $38,000,000. That may have been a rough estimate. So far as the stock valuation was concerned I was prepared to accept the recommendation of the committee, reserving the right during the recess to make an investigation into the whole matter. It is quite true that the report of the committee was to the effect that there would be a 60 per cent reduction on stock purchased in 1920 and a 40 per cent reduction on stock purchased in 1921.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

What is the meaning of accepting a recommendation with the reservation of a right to review?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Well, I

think I made it perfectly clear on that occasion, I refused at that time to sanction the recommendation of the committee with respect to the land values.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

No, the interest.

Soldier Settlement Act

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Yes, with

respect to the interest; and there was a reservation that the matter would be thoroughly looked in: o by the government and legislation brought down at this session. If hon. members will look at Hansard they will see that that was the statement made on that occasion.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

There is no such thing

as accepting a recommendation for a specific reduction and then reserving the right to review it; the two are absolutely inconsistent. The minister would be quite correct, of course, in saying that the government would think it over during the summer, but he cannot put that statement alongside of another statement to the effect that the recommendation was accepted.

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PRO

Alan Webster Neill

Progressive

Mr. NEILL:

I have Hansard here and I

will quote what the minister said. His reservation referred entirely to the interest charges. Here is his language:

It is pointed out to me that the evidence all goes to establish that in so far as the live stock is concerned-purchased and given to the soldiers within the period mentioned-there is an actual reduction of 60 per cent over the prices prevailing as against those established in 1921. That being the fact I am not disposed to take serious objection to that adjustment. I believe, however, from what I have been able to gather-and I must confess that it has only been from the committee and the Soldiers' Settlement Board itself, with whom I have not been associated for over a year-that a serious state of affairs seems to exist with respect to the extension of the interest payment period.

That is all that is said about the sixty per cent, which is a total acceptance of the statement.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

With all due respect to my hon. friend, the minister did not say that he accepted it, but that he did not take serious objection to it.

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May 26, 1925