May 15, 1925

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I am not in a position

ait the present time to say what it may be possible to do with reference to this bill as well as to other orders that appear on the same page. It will depend largely on the progress we make with legislation whether or not that opportunity can be given soon or late.

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LAB

Joseph Tweed Shaw

Labour

Mr. SHAW:

Perhaps the Prime Minister

may have overlooked the assurance given in connection with this matter and for that reason I would refer him to the Hansard report which indicates the conditions upon which I consented on at least one occasion to the bill standing over.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Any assurance given will be carried out, but I cannot at the moment indicate when the opportunity will come.

Supply-Mines

* DEPARTMENT OF MINES

The House in committee of Supply, Mr. Gordon in the chair.

Mines and Geological Survey-for organization and equipment of the explosives division, under the Explosives Act, chap. 31, 4-5 George V., $10,000.

Mr. MEIGHE'N: Will the minister indicate what work the division is doing now?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES STEWART (Argenteuil, Minister of Mines):

They are doing the

same duties they have performed since the act was instituted. These comprise the inspection of all explosives, their storage, the distances at which they are allowed to be stored from industries or dwellings, general supervision over storage, and an examination into the chemical composition of the explosives themselves that are offered for sale.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

Is not this something that should be under the provincial authorities?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

It comes

under the federal act of 1914. If there is to be uniformity it should be under the federal government; I do not understand why it should be in the hands of the province.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It does not appear to

be a distinctly Dominion responsibility; is it not provincial? I know it was started some years ago and the minister is not responsible for initiating it. But what the hon. member has in mind is that the federal government has no special jurisdiction in respect of explosives. It is really just as much a matter for the provinces as is the question of health or any other matter of a civil or private character. In these days, when we are trying to contract our responsibilities, it might be well to consider whether it should not go back to the provinces.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I do not

understand it was ever taken from them.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

No, they never had it.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

It has been the function of the federal government. The matter never occurred to me, because the function is not carried on so extensively as during the war period, when munitions, for instance, were under supervision; but it is reduced now largely to advice being given to mining companies who are using explosives, just as chemical analysis is made of cement and so on.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The Dominion government analyses explosives.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Yes, if

necessary.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

And gives certifcates as to the power of the explosives.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Yes.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

It is in the nature of research work.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

No; you

may be purchasing blasting powder for mining purposes, you are doubtful about the strength, and you appeal to Colonel Ogilvie who will attach a certificate. The work is of that character. Then we have the examination or inspection work for safety purposes, and as to the proper storage of dangerous explosives of this character, and taking care of them for the protection of human life.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Has the

minister ever taken into consideration, in view of the Geneva investigation, the necessity arising for the government to take over the operation of munitions and explosive factories in this country? Has he in mind any plan in regard to that?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

No, I have not given the matter of taking over the manufacture of explosives any consideration. We content ourselves with this proposition for the moment.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

I might

suggest that it would be well for this government, or any other subsequent government to seriously consider this aspect of the explosive and munition industry. The reason I make the suggestion is that I am convinced that sooner or later the countries that are considering the possibility of establishing permanent peace, or as near as humanly possible establishing such a condition, will have to undertake either a complete state of control of munitions, explosives and so on, or a monopoly of the manufacture of them.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

How many are employed in the branch?

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May 15, 1925