May 1, 1925

CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

About when did it go into effect?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I think

about two years ago. That area of land which is known generally as the diy belt should not be turned over to agriculturists, it should 'be retained as far as possible for grazing purposes. But it is desirable that the relatives of residents should be given the privilege of homesteading available land keeping in mind the provision of the Dominion Lands Act that at shall be within nine miles of the home of the parents or relative. We are having a good deal of pressure brought upon us to open up these areas. I do not wish to do so because I think it is costing the country a considerable amount of money to move people out of these localities. Opening up these areas should only be done with the utmost care and only in cases where there appears to be real necessity to meet the demands of relatives or children of parents who are in the locality. For that reason I am asking in section 1 of the amendment the privilege of granting to the persons mentioned the right to take homesteads in that area.

Then, with reference to the second amendment the amendment to the School Lands Act, hon. gentlemen will remember that last

Dominion Lands Act

year objection was taken to this when the minister was asking for power to sell right of way and reserve sites for the purposes mentioned here-church, cemetery, or hospital. As hon. members will know, under the provisions of the law school lands, if sold, are to be sold at public auction, and any one who has had any experience in the department knows that from time to time school lands are required, sometimes for a gravel pit and frequently for a right of way on a railway crossing. In these eases some doubt has arisen as to what would be a reasonable price for the land. In order to make it.clear that these transactions shall meet with the approval of the provincial authorities, I have inserted a provision in this section this year that this consent of the provincial authorities must be obtained for the sale of school lands of this character.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Could the minister say

what the privilege has been before this? The minister has not been powerless to sell land for some of these purposes previously without auction?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

That is

quite true, but last year when I sought to extend that provision my right hon. friend himself took some exception-

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

-and I have now inserted the proviso that the provincial authorities shall be satisfied with the sale- that the matter shall be referred to them and their approval obtained.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I am not clear as to

what the difference will be between the present law and the law as now proposed.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I do not

happen to have the section before me but I will get it for my right hon. friend when the matter comes up again. The third section is new, and I may say for the information of the Housei that I have consulted the provincial governments with respect to this change in the law as it affects the sale of school lands, and have their consent to what I think wall be a very great advantage to the holders of school lands who are in arrears. Hon. gentlemen know, particularly those who come from the western provinces, that at auction sales of school lands held on formeT occasions, very many purchasers purchased more land than they actually required, and they found themselves considerably embarrassed. Indeed almost daily there are cancellations of school lands going through our office, which means of course that any moneys

that were paid in by the purchasers of the school lands are forfeited. I made a proposition to the provincial governments who were interested that I might have the authority to cancel a portion of the sale and apply the payment on the purchase price on the portion retained by the purchaser, thereby saving him from the loss of his money and giving him an opportunity to pay up for the balance of the holding. This very frequently happens in the case of the sales of half sections and greater amounts. It is not proposed that we split the quarter section in two, but that we Shall be able to cancel the sale of a half section and apply such moneys as have been paid in on the purchase price on the quarter section that he will endeavour to retain and pay for.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

A very serious step.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I do not

agree with my right hon. friend. I think that, rather than cancel the sale in its entirety or confiscate the money paid in by the purchaser, it is a much more reasonable thing to allow him to retain one-half of his purchase, with no change so far as the contract is concerned, simply applying such moneys as he has paid in on the purchase of a quarter section rather than a half section, the other portion reverting to the crown.

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Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

In regard to paragraph 2, does not the paragraph simply provide for an addition to the present regulation for the sale of school lands, or can you under this regulation sell school lands for any other purpose than that provided for in the regulation?

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

No.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Supposing someone wanted to buy school lands in that district for farming purposes what would be the process?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

We could

not sell them to him. They are sold under a regulation which is now in existence which means that the consent of the provincial government must be obtained before the lands are put up, and they must be sold by public auction.

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I suppose that unanimous consent should be given for questions to be asked at this stage of the proceeding. All these questions can be brought up in committee of the Whole.

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Motion agreed to. Canada Highway Act


CANADA HIGHWAYS ACT AMENDMENT


Hon. GEORGE P. GRAHAM moved that the House go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved, that it is expedient to provide that the time within which the various provinces of Canada may earn and be paid the sums allotted to the said provinces under the provisions of the Canada Highways Act, chapter 54 of the Statutes of 1919, as extended by chapter 4 of the Statutes of 1923, be extended for a further period of two years. He said: I may say that this resolution merely extends the operation of the Highways Act for two years to allow those provinces which have not already done so to earn the amount of money voted to them under the act.


CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Will my hon.

friend state what the provinces are and how much money they can get?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I will tell my hon. friend when we get into committee.

Motion agreed to and the House went into committee, Mr. Gordon in the chair.

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May 1, 1925