April 2, 1925

LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

Does my hon. friend claim that taxation is higher to-day than it was three years ago?

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

dreary scene and you are forever floored, as I am! That applies as much to this Dominion as to each individual in the country; because unless attention is paid to that philosophy this country cannot make the progress which it should make. I do not wish to go further into the question of economy because it requires no elaboration. The only people in Canada who do not seem to know that economy is needed, the only people in Canada who are paying no attention to the extravagance of the government, are the members of the government themselves.

Now, Sir, I must deal for a few moments with the question of a stable tariff policy for this country,-this will appeal to my hon. friend the member for Brome (Mr. McMas-ter)-a stable tariff policy for this country high enough to permit all our industries to continue, a policy which will give us not only confidence in our business but work for our unemployed, and give an opportunity for our Canadian boys and girls to remain in Canada and not be forced to expatriate themselves to the most highly protected country in the world to earn a living, and which will give, as well, an opportunity for tens, yes hundreds, of thousands of people from the crowded European countries to come over here and help us to develop this magnificent country which we possess. A proper policy of this kind will give our artisans the choice of employment instead of, as now, the choice of crossing to the United States or going hungry. What we want is to have our Canadian factories going, not to have, as is the case at the present time, foreign factories going whilst ours are idle, Canadian artisans idle while foreign artisans are busy. I wish to show here just in reply to one of the speakers who preceded me-I think it was the hon. member for Prince (Mr. MacLean)-who claimed that conditions in the city of Brantford were in excellent shape, that the reverse is the case. I have here a list of names of those who in the past year have sent to this government protests against this cutting down of the tariff, and at the head of them is the council of the city 0f Brantford. I have on this list also Hamilton, Kitchener. London, Galt, Glen 'Williams, Peterborough, Woodstock, Paris. Carleton Place, St. Catharines, Montreal. Toronto and Tillsonburg. These are simply names that I happened to have under my hand; I know there must be many more. In addition to that I have seen protests from coal producers, the boot and shoe producers, the starch and syrup manufacturers, the iron pipe p.^ducers, the textile industry, the fruit growers, east and west, the steel

producers, and the poultry producers. From all over this country we have had demands for tariff stability, for a tariff high enough to permit our industries to continue. And after all, Mr. Speaker, who has profited in the past year or two by the cuts in the tariff which this government has made?

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PRO

John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON:

The agriculturists of the country, all these people have profited.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I know one agricultural

person that has profited and that is the whip of the Progressive party. He has profited by a free trip to the Wembley exhibition, but he is the only agriculturist that has profited by it.

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PRO

John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON:

If my hon. friend was

opposed to that trip, why was he not in his seat to vote against it?

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I certainly would have

voted against it if I had been in my seat, because I talked against it. I happened tc be in the city of Toronto at the time. I did not dodge the vote; I do not dodge votes.

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PRO

John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON:

My hon. friend stated

a few evenings ago that he voted against it, when he did not.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

My hon. friend is correct. I thought I had voted against it. I admit my mistake. It was pointed out to me the other day that only a few members were in the House at the time. Had I been in my seat I would have voted against it. because never was a more disgraceful expenditure of public money undertaken by the government of Canada. Why should the hard-pressed taxpayers of this country pay for the trip of the whip of the Progressive party to the Wembley Exhibition?

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PRO

John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON:

My hon. friend had

better discuss that with his own whip who supported the vote.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

My whip did not accept

the vote; he did1 not take the trip either. The hon. member for Last Mountain (Mr Johnston) did, and I should not be surprised if he promoted the -whole scheme. I was asking: Who has profited? The hon. member for Last Mountain apparently thinks the farmers have profited. From the statements of his friends sitting around him, I would think that the farmers are at the present time not very well fixed. I know of no farmers in Canada who are in very good circumstances at this time. Have the artisans profited who have been forced to go to the United States to earn their living? Have

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the business men in this country profited? I have made it my business, in every section into which I have gone, to ask every class of business men how business is, and never before in my life have I heard so many stories of business depression as at the present time. The whole country is depressed to-day.

It is not cheap goods that we get by a low tariff that we want in Canada; it is work and wages for our people.

I admit with Sir Arthur Currie, the general who made such a good reputation overseas, that perhaps we should talk a good deal of optimism, of patriotism in Canada. I have no criticism to offer to that. I talk it sometimes myself, but at the same time it is very difficult to be optimistic, patriotic, when you have no work and no food in the house. When unemployment and hunger come in at the door, patriotism and optimism fly out of the window, and that is why our people are flying across the border into the United States at this time. If we have prosperity in Canada, we shall have happiness in Canada; and if we have happiness in Canada, we, shall hold our people in this Dominion. The reason we have not prosperity, have not happiness in Canada-

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LIB

Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL (Bonaventure):

Ten years of Tory rule-that is the explanation.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

During the last year of

Tory rule we had prosperity in Canada and more than 400,000 immigrants came into this country during that year.

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LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

How is it then that the

whole country voted against the then government?

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

They voted against the

government because they were war-tired-the same reason that caused people throughout the world to vote against every government that went to the people. But the people of Canada have found out their mistake and very richly paid for it.

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LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

How can my hon. friend

explain West Hastings and St. Antoine?

'Mr. MANION: How, I ask in turn, can

my hon. friend explain Yale, Halifax and Kent?

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LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

Those are old Tory seats. That is easily explained.

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

I can just as easily explain WTest Hastings as my hon. friend can explain the others. The reason that we have depression and instability in Canada is because of the unstable attitude of this government on the tariff question. We do not need to go back beyond the last three years. We do not need to go back to the Liberal platform of 1919. All we need to do is to go back to 1922 when the present Minister of Finance (Mr. Fielding) brought in his budget at that time and said: The tariff is low

enough; we are not going to have any more cuts; we have to have stability in the tariff if we are going to have stability in business in this country. In the following year the present Acting Minister of Finance (Mr. Robb) brought in a budget whereby he made slashing cuts in the tariff in reply to the stand of the Minister of Finance for stability, and the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) made that now famous but obsolete statement that the death knell of protection had been rung. That was the second stage. This year we have both free trade and protection in the same budget. Could anybody under those circumstances understand what this government really thinks on tariff questions? Is it possible that we can have stability in the countrj- at the present time? A consistent application of a weak policy would be far better than alternate applications of two opposing policies, the application of either one of which may be excellent in itself, but the application of both of which together can lead to nothing but instability as we have it in Canada to-day.

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LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

Can the hon. member

point to any tariff reference in the amendment of the hon. member for West York (Sir Henry Drayton)?

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CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MANION:

We do not need to do

that. Everybody knows where we stand on the tariff. We were not even given an opportunity. My right hon. leader was not even given an opportunity of moving his resolution; the Prime Minister refused to give him an opportunity to move it.

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LIB

Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret

Liberal

Mr. RINFRET:

I was in the House on

several occasions when the resolution was called and the leader of the opposition in his seat, and he did not move it. He had several opportunities.

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April 2, 1925