April 2, 1925

PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE


Mr. HANCE J. LOGAN (Cumberland) presented the first report of the committee on Public Accounts as follows: Your committee recommend that the quorum of this committee be reduced from twenty-one to eleven. He said: I 'beg to move: That the first report of the select standing committee on Public Accounts be concurred in.


CON
LIB

Hance James Logan

Liberal

Mr. LOGAN:

The report has already been read. The effect is to reduce the quorum from twenty-one to eleven. The difficulty of securing a quorum in committees of this House has become almost a scandal. Last year we called this committee four times in succession, but were not able to secure the quorum of twenty-one. This year we have had the same experience, and this morning we h-ad to wait nearly an hour to secure a quorum. We were able to secure it only after sending to all parts of the building and trying to get members out of other committees. In order to carry on the work of this committee, it has been found necessary to have the quorum reduced, and I think eleven will be quite sufficient.

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Motion agreed to.


RURAL CREDITS

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

The hon. member for Battle River (Mr. Spencer) the other day asked a question -as to whether the government had received a copy of a resolution passed by the Alberta legislature relative to a federal farm loan scheme. I have not the memorandum

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here, but I have looked into the matter, and as far as I can find out no such resolution has been received by any department.

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QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk).


OCEAN SHIPPING RATES

CON

Mr. DOUCET:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. What was the amount paid by the government in connection with the investigation and report made by Sir Henry Drayton in regard to the North Atlantic Steamship Conference and ocean rates?

2. What is the amount already paid and payable to Mr. W. T. R. Preston in connection with his investigation and report with the said matters?

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LIB

Hon. Mr. COPP: (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

1. Sir Henry Drayton was carried on the pay-list of the Board of Railway Commissioners for the period from July 31, 1913, to September 21, 1913, when he was employed on the ocean rates inquiry, and he was paid during the inquiry his regular salary rate as Chief Commissioner, namely $12,500 per annum, and $1,074, expenses.

2. Expended to January 21, 1925, Mr. W. T. R. Preston, Travel, $S64.85; Remuneration (February 28 to June 1, 1924, 94 days less 7=87 days at $15), $1,305; Living allowance (February 28 to October 24, 1924, 239 days at $10, $2,390; Sundries, $310.23; Total, $4,870.08.

Accounts on hand, pending supplementary vote: Travel, $208.68; Remuneration (June 2, 1924 to January 23, 1925, 236 days less 32= 204 days at $15), $3,060; Living allowance (October 25, 1924 to January 23, 1925, 91 days less 18=73 days at $10), $730; Stenographic services, $216; 'Sundries, $17.77; Total, $4,232.45, and for such additional time as he may be actually engaged in the work of the ocean freight rate inquiry.

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PELAGIC SEALING TREATY

PRO

Mr. NEILL:

Progressive

1. When does the Pelagic Sealing Treaty expire?

2. Is it the intention of the government to renew it?

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LIB

Hon. Mr. CARDIN: (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

1. The treaty is to continue in force for fifteen years from December 15, 1911, and thereafter until terminated by twelve months' notice in writing given by one of the parties to all of the others, which notice may be given at the expiration of fourteen years or at any time afterwards.

2. The matter will receive consideration.

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QUEBEC HARBOUR COMMISSION

CON

Hon. Mr. STEVENS:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Having reference to reply to questions on Hansard, page 1317, March 24, stating that Quebec Board of Harbour Commissioners had not overdrawn its appropriations, how does the government account for an item of $11,881,350.58 appearing on page 11 of the Public Accounts, 1924, schedule L, and shown among miscellaneous investment (non-active) in the balance sheet for March 31, 1924, page 2 of the said Public Accounts?

2. Is the said sum of $11,881,350.58 in excess of, and to be added to a further sum of $8,426,800 shown in the said answer on page 1317 of Hansard, as having been advanced to Harbour Commissioners for harboui improvements, and on which no interest has been paid?

3. Do the above items, added together, represent the amount advanced for Quebec harbour improvements?

4. Has any interest been paid on the said amount, if so, how much?

5. Has any report been made by the Board of Audit, or by J. W. Tribble?

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LIB

Hon. Mr. COPP: (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

1. The item of $11,881,350.58 referred to as taken from the Public Accounts 1924, Schedule L, is the total amount charged to the Quebec Harbour Commissioners for expenditure on improvements to the harbour of Quebec at March 31, 1924. $4,154,195.68 of this amount is old expenditure paid through other departments and charged against the harbour commissioners. This expenditure was authorized by various statutes passed previous to the reorganization of the harbour commission on its present basis in 1912, while the balance of $7,727,154.90 was expended under the authority of acts passed since 1912, which authorize a total for advance to the commissioners to date, of $8,500,000; of which amount at March 31, 1924, there remained available the sum of $772,845.10, and the Harbour Commission of Quebec could not have been considered to have overdrawn its appropriation, as provided for by parliament, until this amount had been exceeded.

2. No. The sum of $8,426,800 represents the amount advanced to the commissioners out of the total authorized by the acts passed since 1912, above referred to.

3. No. The amount stated on page 11 of Public Accounts represented the total advanced to the Quebec Harbour Commissioners for harbour improvements at that date. The total amount advanced to date amounts to $12,439,195.68, of which $8,426,800 has been advanced out of the total of $8,500,000 authorized for advance since 1912.

4j, Advances -were made to 'the Quebec Harbour Commissioners between the fiscal years 1873-4 to 1909-10 amounting to $4,156,550.58. Interest on these advances was paid between the years 1873 to 1891 to the amount of $1,068,45849. From 1892 to 1898 pay-

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merits were not made on account of interest but interest was charged in the books to the amount of $1,305,315.01. This amount was written off by the authority of parliament in the revision of the balance sheet in 1908. Interest accrued and outstanding on the 31st March, 1925, on the $4,156,550.58 amounted to $5,640,463.68.

New advances were authorized and commenced in 1913 and on the 31st March, 1925, amounted to $8,426,860 which added to the amount advanced prior to 1909-10 namely $4,156,550.58 would account for a balance of $12,583,350.58 which will appear in the balance sheet, March 31st, 1925. No interest has been received on the new advances which on January 1st, 1925, amounted to $2,437,498.87.

5. A report has been made by the Board of Audit.

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CUSTOMS-ANTI-DUMPING CLAUSES

PRO

Mr. McTAGGART:

Progressive

1. How many times were the provisions of the antidumping clauses of the Customs Tariff Act applied in the years 1922, 1923 and 1924?

2. What was the total amount of customs duty collected in the years 1922, 1923 and 1924 as a result of the application of the anti-dumping clauses of the Customs Tariff Act?

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April 2, 1925