February 27, 1925

CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

But the

bounties, as the minister knows, are paid according to the fiscal year.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

The bounties are paid monthly as the claims come in.

Mr. LeSUEUR: Can the minister tell

us what bounty was paid on the oil produced since July 1, 1924?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I can only give my hon. friend the figures for the twelve months ending December 31, 1924; we have not got it for the six months, but I shall be very glad to get the figures for each month if my hon. friend desires.

Mr. LeSUEUR: I should like to get them.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

For the twelve months ended

December 31, 1924, the bounties paid amounted to $83,857.

Mr. LeSUEUR: I would also like to ask

the minister-and I do not do this in any antagonistic sense whatever-as to the results of the investigation made by the government into the situation in the oil producing territories. Is the government taking any action as a result of the investigation, or studying the question with a view to action?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

My department has nothing

to do with that investigation. I imagine it would come under Mines or the Department of the Interior.

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CON

Murray MacLaren

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MacLAREN:

How much bounty was

paid for the petroleum produced in Albert county?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

The bounties paid in Albert

county last year amounted to $3,648.14.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

We have not that information, but we can easily get it for my hon. friend.

Mr. LeSUEUR: Might I ask the hon.

minister if this item had not better stand until we have the report on that investigation? Until we get that report, and until we know what action the government is going to take, the House is really not in a position to vote on the administration. This is a matter of vital importance to a certain section up there, and I think the proper department should give the House the information it requires.

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Mr. LOAV@

What difference would it

make? If it is found that the amount in the main estimates is not sufficient, it will be a very simple matter to place an amount in the supplementaries. If any change is necessary, that will be a matter for the Minister of Finance when the budget comes down. So I do not see that any object is realized in holding up the item.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I would not

think there would be any need for any mystery about it. There is always more or less 'mystery about some moves from the treasury benches, but after some difficulty last year, when the mystery was dispelled, we were told that Dr. Hume had been sent up there to see what ought to be done. He took some time, but he did finally get there, and we wanted to find out if he had made a report, and if so, what it was. We were told, as I recollect, by the genial Minister of Mines (Mr. Stewart) that a report had been made, but it had not been made; that a letter had been written, but it had not been written; that it was quite true there was a communication, but it was confidential and personal, and so could not be brought down. I would think because it was personal it might possibly be all the more correct. Is there any reason why the people up there cannot know what the departmental information is as to their industry? It is a year ago now since this was up; it is a year ago now since they have desired to know what the department which is supposed to know all about this industry thinks of it; and they still do not know. Surely there is no reason why the report of Dr. Hume cannot be used by my hon. friend to-day.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I shall be very glad to bring

the matter to the attention of my colleague the Minister of the Interior, and have the report, if there is a report, brought down providing there is no objection to such action.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

If the matter is dealt with that way, I suppose that will happen which happened last year, that we shall be told the report is personal and is not going to be brought down, and in the

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meantime we get no information upon it. The Minister of the Interior (Mr. Stewart) was in the chamber a moment ago, but unfortunately he has gone. I should have thought he could tell us in a moment whether there is any use looking for any assistance in that regard or not. The amount of production in Lambton last year was given as 145,238 barrels. Can my hon. friend tell me what the Lambton production is this year?

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Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I am sorry that the record here does not give the figures by counties.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Then let us take Ontario, because the Lambton production is Ipretty nearly the whole Ontario production, although there is some in Kent.

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

I am sorry, but it is impossible for me to give my hon. friend to-day the amount of oil production in any particular county or province. However, I would be very glad to bring down the details by provinces if my hon. friend wishes.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

What I want is just what I told my hon. friend last night- and I think he understood the reference pretty well,-full particulars in connection with these particular bounties that Ontario is so widely interested in and especially this particular part of Ontario. The first thing necessary, of course, is to know how the industry stands to-day, and I cannot appreciate my hon. friend's position at all. It is only a few minutes ago that he gave the production of oil in New Brunswick.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Certainly, one

county; I do not care where it is. Then I asked for the particulars of oil production in one county in Ontario, and the minister said he could not give it. What is the difficulty in the way of giving information respecting oil production in one county in Ontario when there is no difficulty with respect to giving the information as to the production in one county in New Brunswick?

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LIB

Thomas Andrew Low (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. LOW:

The difference is that oil production is confined to one county in New Brunswick. There is no desire at all to withhold any information from any hon. member. There is nothing to conceal, but it would bn utterly impossible to bring down with every item all the details of any particular industry. If my hon. friend presses for the information we can obtain it for him. I shall be glad to furnish any information that he wishes with the most minute details.

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February 27, 1925