February 20, 1925

LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

Some of the earliest

varieties in Nova Scotia are not picked, for the reason that the fruit growers have no market for them; and there is also a great percentage of culls or windfalls which people do not bother with at all. Will this process enable them to treat their apples profitably?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Yes, I think so.

If there is any demand for the system down in Nova Scotia we shall be glad to test it out. I remember a violent storm that took place in that part of the country some time ago when the ground was covered with windfalls, which no doubt could have been profitably treated. We shall be glad to consider the matter.

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LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

I take it that the minister will undertake to give the system a trial in what is commonly called the Annapolis valley, but particularly in the county of Hants.

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CON

Grote Stirling

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STIRLING:

Is dehydration carried

on in the three western states of the American union, Washington, Oregon and California, or 4re those states watching the experiments in Canada?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

They took the lead in this matter. Their interests are extensive and their co-operative activities are quite marked, particularly in California. I understand that a great part of the fruit we import from the United States is treated in this way. I have no information as to how the system is working there.

Supply-Agriculture

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CON

Simon Fraser Tolmie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TOLMIE:

Under this process 5 pounds of crabapples will make 4i pounds jellied; at the end of one week they will yield only 3i pounds, while after two weeks there will be only 1 pound of jelly. Many of these apples reach the prairie provinces in about a week's time and the jellying properties are preserved in this process; the apples can make as much jelly as the fresh fruit will yield.

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PRO

Donald Ferdinand Kellner

Progressive

Mr. KELLNER:

In operating the plants,

do you buy the fruit and re-sell the product or is the farmer charged so much for the operation? A second question I should like to ask: In view of the fact that we have had a two-day discussion now of provincial rights, does not the minister think that this whole work belongs to the provinces and that he is infringing on their sacred rights when he undertakes activities of this kind?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

As soon as any

particular kick is registered from the standpoint of provincial rights we shall accept the hon. gentleman's suggestion and gracefully withdraw. We are not imposing ourselves on anyone who does not want our assistance. The plant at Penticton and the one at Grimsby were anxiously requested.

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PRO

Donald Ferdinand Kellner

Progressive

Mr. KELLNER:

With regard to the operation of the plants, do you buy the fruit and resell the product?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Yes. I read the amounts a moment ago showing what quantities were bought.

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PRO
LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

We have not a complete statement of that inasmuch as we have certain stocks on hand.

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Item agreed to. Live stock, $1,280,000.


LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

In regard to this item I might submit the following analysis

of this substantial amount:

Organization of horse clubs $ 65,000

Remount stations, of which there are 4, 2 in Ontario, 1 in Alberta and 1 in Quebec.. .. 15,000

For motors and inspectors 46,000

Fox development: for promotion of the

fox industry, principally inspectors, and in connection with registration and certification 20,000

Cattle, record of performance 56,000

Bull distribution 140,000

Livestock promoters' work lig 000

Sheep and goats, including wool grading.. .. 8'000

Sire distribution 5,000

Co-operative marketing 7,000

Sheeps fairs 7.000

Boys' and girls' clubs 3,000

Salaries and expenses 65,000

Various minor matters 5,000

Without going further, I may say that the same activities run all through the departments of swine and poultry. Some of these services should' be strictly provincial, such for instance as boys' and girls' clubs, swine clubs and sheep clubs. Strictly speaking these activities are associated with production and they are provincial; and whenever a province becomes familiar with the value of the work we have gradually handed it over to the provincial authorities. In the western provinces at the present time a good d'eal of the cow testing and organization work has been handed over to the provincial departments. In the Maritime provinces and in the older provinces the work is still conducted by this department although I am watching for the opportunity of gradually handing it over to the local authorities because it is really work that they should do. Sometimes they cannot do it however and rather than have it neglected we take care of it for the time being.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

It is rather unfortunate that estimates should be printed in this way. I cannot keep track of the different amounts and the various activities to which they are devoted!. I tried to follow the minister while he was making the statement, but I could not get the details. The right hon. leader of the opposition (Mr. Meighen) objected this afternoon to the items being included in a lump sum; I make the same objection now. I think the estimates are printed in a very impracticable form.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I agree with that, Mr. Chairman, Before the estimates were prepared I asked my deputy to try to remedy the situation, and I have two pages of particulars affecting all the branches of live stock under one vote, exactly as I have read the details. If it is the wish Of the committee to have the vote so minutely subdivided, I shall certainly endeavour to have it in this form.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

We had better proceed as

we are at present. We are not shorthand writers and therefore cannot take down the details as the minister reads them out.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I suppose the

present form was thought more convenient by those who originated it, but I agree it is not satisfactory to hon. members who are not familiar with the vote and desire to criticise it.

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CON

David Spence

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPENCE:

Take it item by item, and we will get through it a little quicker.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

All right; horse

club-

Supply-Agriculture

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February 20, 1925