July 19, 1924

MESSAGE FROM THE GOVERNOR GENERAL'S SECRETARY

PROROGATION OF PARLIAMENT

LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I have the honour to inform the House that I have received the following communication from the Governor General's Secretary:

Ottawa, July 19, 1924.

Sir: I have the honour to inform you that His Excellency the Governor General will proceed to the Senate Chamber on Saturday, July 19, at 3 p.m. for the purpose of proroguing the present session of parliament.

I have the honour to be,

Sir,

Your obedient servant,

A. F. Sladen,

Governor General's Secretary.

The Honourable,

The Speaker of the House of Commons,

Ottawa.

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INQUIRY FOR RETURNS


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):

Some three weeks ago I

made reference to certain returns which had been brought down in answer to orders of the House and called attention to the fact that the most important features of them had been omitted. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Cardin), whose department was chiefly concerned, promised to have the omissions looked into as they constituted contempt of the House. I have reminded him twice of the matter and of his promise but I have had so far nothing but promises. We are now at the last moment of the session and the missing returns have not been supplied.

I must offer the comment that there is some significance in bringing down returns so obviously defective in particulars that go to the heart of the matters involved, and in declining to make good the defects right up to the end of the session and even in defiance of repeated promises. Some important returns have yet to be brought down, although I may say that of those orders I mentioned the other day some were complied with yesterday, too late however, to be of the slightest value this session.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. A. B. COPP (Secretary of State):

My department has been in close touch with the other departments concerned and I can only say that every effort has been made to bring down all the returns that could possibly be prepared. Some fifteen returns were submitted on the first occasion and about ten or twelve have been brought down since that time.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

They were not all those

that I referred to. I mentioned only the returns moved for and not complied with so far as this side of the House is concerned; many of the rest asked for by hon. gentlemen to my left and hon. gentlemen opposite are still to be brought down. Of those returns brought down some were moved for by the other two parties.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I have presented all that have come from my department.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I have no explanation as to why it is we cannot get returns as ordered by the House. We may just as well cease moving and having passed orders of the House if they are only to be flouted after they have been passed.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I am sorry that the

Minister of Marine and Fisheries is not in his seat at the moment; I have not the least doubt he would have a satisfactory answer to give my right hon. friend. On his behalf I shall ask to have the information secured and sent to the right hon. gentleman, notwithstanding prorogation, so that he may have the material which he requires.

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SUSPENSION OF SITTING


PENSIONS BILL IN THE SENATE

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I know of no other business which should occupy the attention of the House at the present time. I understand that a report will come from the Senate shortly

Pension Act

with reference to some legislation respecting pensions and I think it would be just as well for the House to suspend its sitting for ten or fifteen minutes until that report is received.

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The sitting is suspended for a quarter of an hour.

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PRO

Oliver Robert Gould

Progressive

Mr. GOULD:

If I may be permitted to

ask just a brief question,-will the Prime Minister say what the probable date will be of the next meeting of parliament?

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Mr. Speaker

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

The sitting is suspended.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

That is only a suggestion. With reference to the question I put this morning about 6.30 to the Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, as to whether the government had not taken a different stand in the House of Commons to what it took in the other House regarding the Pensions bill, I would ask the minister to read as they appear recorded the utterances in the other House by the member of the Senate who represents the government and leads its forces in that chamber. This substantiates to the full what I stated yesterday, and even more. It seems strange that the government should take one stand in this House and a totally different stand in the Senate.

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

I will read the debate in the Upper Chamber in due course. I am not particularly concerned about what an individual member of the Senate may say or may do.

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July 19, 1924