June 23, 1924

LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

It is also necessary so that if, for instance, w'e were required to sign issues outside Canada we could authorize someone to replace the deputy.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I am no authority on

the question, but is it not necessary to take greater precaution with bonds than with bank notes? The science of hank note printing has become so highly technical and perfected that forgery is very, very difficult; with bonds the same is not true. One would think that this allowing of stamps on bonds might be very risky.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

The officials of the department, from their experience, contend that it can be worked just as well with bonds as with bank notes, and the same precautions will be taken as we now take with Dominion notes.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes, but my point is

this: That the bank note construction is very complicated and technical, designed through many, many years to make anything in the way of duplication impossible. Consequently the actual signature of a very important official is not so important as would be the actual signature of a very important official on the bonds, because -a bond can be duplicated quite easily.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mt. ROBB:

This arrangement is optional,

and I imagine the department will not exercise it unless they -are perfectly satisfied they can safeguard the interests of the country.

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Section agreed to. Bill reportedi, read) thq third time and passed.


JUVENILE DELINQUENTS ACT, 1908, AMENDMENT


Hon. ERNEST LAPOINTE (Minister of Justice) moved the second reading of Bill No. 27, to amend the Juvenile Delinquents Act, 1908.


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Explain.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

The purpose of this bill, as my right hon. friend will see, is to make some minor changes in the existing act. It was proposed to substitute an important clause, clause No. 4 for section 23 of the present act, but it was objected to in many cities, and I have therefore decided to withdraw the clause. The remaining changes have been asked for by the various associations interested in child welfare, and by the various courts that deal with juvenile delinquents.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Is that the historic clause which wTas strongly supported by Mr. Scott?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Mr. Scott was strongly

in favour of that clause.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

That is the one that is dropped?

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Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

It is dropped.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

How does Mr. Scott feel about that?

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

I do not know.

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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time, and the House went into committee, Mr. Gordon in the chair. Juvenile Delinquents Act



On section 1-"Juvenile delinquent" defined.


LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

What is proposed here is simply to add to the existing clause the words:

Or who is guilty of sexual immorality or any other form of vice.

The act as at present framed does not cover such cases, and the judges have asked that these words be added.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

On a hasty reading of the amendment, I gather that it virtually constitutes, as respects a juvenile, a new offence. I am not saying that, even if it does so, it is wrong, but the effect of it should be clearly understood. The Criminal Code clearly defines immorality of this character, but heretofore no juvenile guilty of it was a juvenile delinquent within the meaning of the act. If this goes through it virtually makes the judge the arbiter of what constitutes a vice on the part of a juvenile delinquent. This bill will take the matter out of the hands of parliament and the judge will be made the arbiter. Are we not going to get into a condition where we will have a rather variegated system of jurisprudence under which we will have a Nova Scotia magistrate deciding a thing is all right, and a Manitoba magistrate deciding it is all wrong?

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June 23, 1924