June 23, 1924

LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Order. I would ask

the hon. member to confine himself more strictly to the item under discussion. I think his remarks do not bear very closely on this item for exhibitions.

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PRO

Milton Neil Campbell

Progressive

Mr. CAMPBELL:

I think this has a very direct bearing on the question of immigration, Mr. Chairman. However, if that is your ruling I will sit down.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

We can

have the real discussion on immigration when the second or third item farther down is called. I would ask the minister whether the figures he gave a moment ago with regard to the re-flow of Canadians from the United States are official, or simply newspaper estimates.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

They are official figures.

Mr. GARLAND Bow River): He stated,

just before he gave those figures, that the whole question of emigration from Canada was very easily explained by the natural flow; it was going on every year, he said; there would be departures from the country month by month. Well, exactly the same answer can be made to his figures. The tourists art just coming over now to see Muskoka.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

These are immigrants, not

tourists.

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PRO

Edward Joseph Garland

Progressive

Mr. GARLAND (Bow River):

Will the

minister give us some idea of the value of settlers' effects brought in during the last few months?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I can give my hon. friend

the number of cars; there were 120 cars from Fargo, North Dakota.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Can. the minister give

the number going out the same months? Surely he has those figures.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

My hon. friend was inquiring

as to the number coming in. From April to March the total value of the settlers' effects was $6,962,739.53.

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PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

Is the advertising which the

minister is doing at these exhibitions in the United States responsible for this flow of ex-Canadians from the United States back to Canada?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

That is a method of advertising. It is not a new policy; it has been going on for years.

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LAB

Joseph Tweed Shaw

Labour

Mr. SHAW:

Of the 9,807 ex-Canadians repatriated, are there any who have not found employment in Canada in the last few months?

Supply-Immigration

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I have no complaints before me.

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PRO

Henry Elvins Spencer

Progressive

Mr. SPENCER:

I notice that when people are going over to the United States they are asked whether they are going to stay or whether they are just going for a holiday, and if they say for a holiday, they are allowed tc go through and no record is kept; but when people come back from the United States, whether they have made their home there or are just returning from a holiday, they have to fill out a form, and thus a record is kept and filed in the immigration office of the flow back to Canada. Does the minister think Canada can possibly keep a real check on her citizens who are leaving, when no record is kept of those who are crossing into the United States just for a holiday?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I do not think we can. I do

not think that is kept in any country, except through ocean ports.

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PRO

Henry Elvins Spencer

Progressive

Mr. SPENCER:

Is it not quite possible

we have been losing a great many more people than we have a record of? I know of a certainty of a number of families who have gone over to the United States intending to stay there, but who have said they were just going for a holiday, and if that is the case with others, we may be losing many thousands more than we have a record of.

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CON

Donald Sutherland

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

I asked the minister a short time ago in regard to the amount spent in the United States, and I did so for this reason: Although the money is spent

for exhibitions the main object is really to promote business and emigration from the United States to Canada. There was spent in the last four years $1,830,669.32 to promote emigration from the United States to Canada.

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

What was the amount for

each year?

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CON

Donald Sutherland

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

For 1920-1921, $456,870.41; 1921-1922, $419,946.02; 1922-1923, $525,363.90; and from April 1, 1923, to January 1, 1924, $428,488.99. What I am pointing out is this: In view of the amount which has been

spent over there we have not really been getting value if the tide of immigration is from this country to the United States. Possibly this may have been the effect of the money that has been spent, and I presume the same condition existed before this four-year period* ended. In view of all that is taking place between our neighbours to the south and ourselves, it appears to me that this money could be spent to much better advantage in the Old Land, where we could get a much better class of citizens who would 225i

come out here and likely make homes in this country. I do not agree with those who say we do not need' people in this country to help develop our latent resources. This country was never so much in need of willing workers as it is at this hour, and any one who desires employment in this country can get it at short notice. In the case of those who have not found employment, it is largely because they cannot obtain a certain kind of work they desire. If they were as handy at adapting themselves to conditions in this country as the people of twenty-five or thirty years ago you would not hear much about unemployement in Canada. For that reason I have no sympathy with those who would put up the bars and exclude from Canada those who would make desirable settlers. We have in the Dominion a tremendous undeveloped area, and it is quite evident that our people, or at least many of them, are not inclined to indulge in the manual labour necessary to develop the resources which that area contains. That is the reason I would urge upon the minister to consider the wisdom of curtailing expenses in the country to the south.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported. On motion of Mr. Mackenzie King the House adjourned at 11.45 p.m. Tuesday, June 24, 1924


June 23, 1924