May 7, 1924

PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My hon.

friend, I presume, knows that the figures he is quoting from the returns of the United States immigration bureau are not regarded even by the United States government as

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in any way corresponding to the true situation; that the census of the United' States, for example, is entirely different from the showing made by the imlmigration statistics?

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

My right hon. friend is

perhaps correct in the main, but he is wrong regarding these particular statistics, because they refer to men who paid the head tax, and consequently must be correct. The men were officially entered as settlers.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

All people entering the

United States who pay the head tax do not remain there.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

They just go

there to throw away their money.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

The head tax is refunded

when they return to Canada.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

Thousands of young men go over who do not pay the head tax, and do not return either. One evidence that we are losing ground so far as immigration is concerned is the returns of settlers' effects inwards and outwards. The value of such effects imported for the fiscal year ending February 1922 was $8,144,000; in 1923 the value had fallen to $6,291,000; in 1924, again to the end of February, there was a further drop to $5,914,000. In other words, we were importing 25 per cent less settlers' effects than we were two years ago. On the contrary, the settlers' effects outwards show a steady increase. In 1922 to the end of February their value was $6,000,000; in 1923, $7,977,000; in 1924, to the end of February again, $10,712,000. Or an increase of 60 per cent. This is one reason why our exports are increasing.

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Mr BRISTOL:

Those are the figures relating to settlers' effects going to the United States?

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

Yes. I might remark

in passing that the man who takes with him to the United States a quantity of settlers' effects is not a foreigner, he is a man who has had a home here and is taking his household goods with him; he is going there to stay. A pertinent question, I think, is: What is the government doing to remedy this state of affairs, or are they doing anything?

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PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Yes, lowering the duties on agricultural implements.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

That is the secret of

the whole thing. They are spending millions

of money to bring immigrants from central Europe in an endeavour to replace Canadians who are going to the United States. As a matter of fact they are spending almost half a million dollars a year in the United States on officials whom they keep there to induce Canadians to return home. I do not think folly could reach much greater heights. We are sending to the United States hundreds of thousands of the best of our people-the worst advertisement we can have over there. What I would like to learn from the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Motherwell) is: Will this budget bring back any of these men? Will it makes any wheel turn that is not turning now? No; it will have the opposite effect.' But if hon. gentlemen would put a tariff on, something that would give extra business to our railroads and increase employment in our factories, they would soon find these men coming back to Canada.

The present budget differs from any ever presented in Canada. It was prefaced by an intimation in the Speech from the Throne that certain duties would be lowered. Tne government sat back and listened to some of their own supporters who opposed the lowering of duties and who did not believe that the Speech meant what it said. After the debate had ended, the government apparently decided that while they might lose two or three supporters from Ontario or Quebec it would be better to pay the price in order to secure the vote of the party to my left, and they acted accordingly. There is no record in the Canadian or any other parliament where such a deliberate purchase of an opposition party has occurred. As I have previously said, the motion of the leader of the Progressive party last year describes almost word for word the action of the government this year. I think it was the Prime Minister the other day who stated to the House that the Minister of Finance ,(Mr. Fielding) was in perfect accord with the (budget brought down by the Acting Minister of Finance.

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PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Yes, and I

would like to say that since I made that statement I have had a conversation with the Minister of Finance, who desired me to repeat it the next time the subject was mentioned in the House.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

There has been a rumour around the country that the mental condition of the right hon. gentleman is not of the best.

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John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My hon.

friend is quite wrong. I hope he will have the courtesy to take back a statement of that kind.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

I had no intention of

saying it seriously.

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PRO

John Warwick King

Progressive

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I would ask

him to take it back.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

I simply say there was

a rumour of the kind, which would be justified if the hon. gentleman-

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Pictou):

[DOT] I rise to a point of order. I do not think the hon. gentleman has any right to make a statement of that kind, based upon what he says i3 a mere rumour. As a colleague of the Minister of Finance and a personal friend, I desire to say that that statement is absolutely untrue; there is not the slightest warrant in fact for it. Furthermore, he 'Mr. Fielding) intimated to me, as he did to the Prime Minister, that the budget brought down by the Acting Minister of Finance had his entire approval.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

I have no desire to cast

any reflection on the Minister of Finance.

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LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

Make it on your own

responsibility.

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CON

James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS:

I am not making any

charge at all.

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May 7, 1924