April 7, 1924

CON
LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

The whole vote is not passed, only the second item.

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DEPARTMENT OE CUSTOMS.


Civil government-Customs and Excise-salaries. $585,755 Contingencies 48,000


PRO
LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Hon. JACQUES BUREAU:

(Minister of Customs and Excise): The details are on page S3.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Mr. Chairman, I do not wish to be obstructive, but has notice been given of the estimates for this department coming up?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

It is not the intention of the government to proceed with this vote to-night, but, as my hon. friend knows, a technical rule of the House would prevent us from going into Committee of

Supply on the estimates of any department on Thursday or Friday unless previously some item of those estimates had been called. The purpose therefore of calling this item to-night is simply, that on Thursday or Friday we may take up the estimates of the Customs department.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

This item is hardly correct In order that when we come to discuss the vote hon. members will be aware exactly how it should stand, I would ask that an amending motion be made by my hon. friend from Quebec South (Mr. Power).

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I move that item 13 be amended by inserting after the word "salaries" the words "including W. Ide, superintendent of staff, at $4,200." These words appeared in the estimates as prepared, but were inadvertently omitted from the printed estimates. The amount of the vote is not affected, this item being already provided for.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

Mr. Ide's name was in the estimates as submitted to be printed, but through some error it was omitted. Reference to page 83 will show that the amount is set out in the twelfth line, "superintendent, staff $4,200." It does not increase the estimate at all. I have taken this procedure because last year the same thing happened when the estimates of the Post Office Department were before the committee. The name of Mr. Anderson had been omitted, and a similar motion was made to rectify the mistake, I was the mover of the motion when my friend the present Minister of Railways (Mr. Graham) was acting for the Postmaster General.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I do not object at all to my hon. friend moving the motion, but I would direct attention to an incident that occurred the other day when we were discussing certain items. A motion was made by an hon. member on this side of the House directing where the vote should go. It was ruled out of order on the ground that it was not competent far a private member to move such a motion, that it ought to come from a minister of the Crown. If the rule then was applicable to a private member on this side of the House, it would be equally applicable now to the hon. member for Quebec South.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I will ask the Prime Minister to give me the acting position with salary.

Sup-ply-Customs

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LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

The ruling to which the hon. member for Vancouver Centre (Mr. Stevens) refers was that a private member could not change the destination of a vote.

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CON
LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

I assume that this

motion is simply descriptive as to whom the salary is payable.

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LIB
LIB

George Newcombe Gordon (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Or omission. With the information which the minister has given, it seems to me that this is not a motion to change the destination of the vote.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I merely want it distinctly understood that if a similar motion is later on presented by a private member from this side of the House, the present procedure will establish a precedent which will then be in order.

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LIB

Jacques Bureau (Minister of Customs and Excise)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

To prevent any error, may I ask that, with the consent of the House, the name of the mover be changed to that of the Minister of Labour (Mr. Murdock)?

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April 7, 1924