April 4, 1924

LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Not to enlarge the

collection. It is for the purpose which I have indicated. If there are any particular specimens of insect life that are infesting our crops or orchards, of course they will be added to our collection. But we hope to curtail the activities in whatever particular branch of this appropriation we can without affecting the field work which is taken care of in the next item. I do not know why this item was inserted in this way. It was here when I took office and I have often wondered why it could not be merged with the next appropriation, because it is confined entirely to the office and its equipment and supplies in the city. I suppose this was done to separate the Ottawa activities from the outside.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Then no more

bugs will be put into the collection unless the minister finds fresh bugs?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

Practically so, not

necessarily.

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CON
LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

There might be

some of the old of which we have not sufficient specimens on hand, or some of the old ones might escape, or something of that kind, -or some other contingency might occur.

'Sir HENRY DRAYTON: Some of the old ones might escape, or something of that kind. But how many does the minister think make a full hand in any line of insects? What is he trying to get?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

My hon. friend

shows a laudable desire for information, so I will tell him. We have been patrolling the

m

frontier in the southern part of Quebec for the past number of years to ward off an attack of what we call gypsy moth. In the event of any of those being discovered on the Canadian s'ide-I presume we have some specimens of them-we will immediately proceed to institute quarantine proceedings that will restrict the infested area, and we will endeavour to exterminate the pest. Of course we shall have to have mounted specimens for that.

It is the business of the department to run any new infection to ground, to death, if we can, and naturally we want specimens for identification and scientific purposes.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

This seems a large amount

of money to spend for cases in which to store away our dead bugs.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

Yes, dead. They will not

do any more damage. They are quite safe.

I did not rise for the purpose of criticizing this appropriation, but it seems to be a large amount to spend for cases. The minister issued about two circulars that were really good in connection with this branch of the public service.

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CON
PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

Out of a hundred probably.

Those two were really good and of service to our farmers.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I omitted to give the amounts of these items. The vote is allocated as follows: $11,000 for the first item, circulars, leaflets, etc.; $2,700 for stationery, printing, etc.; $5,880 for apparatus; $1,100, maintenance of library; $900, general supplies. I thank my hon. friend for what he says about the bulletins. I do not know what particular ones he refers to, but we try to make them as useful as possible.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

The minister is to be congratulated in being right in two at most out of his one hundred circulars, and I have no doubt he is quite right also in thanking the leader of the Progressive party for that tribute to his efficiency. What are the details of the item of $5,000 for apparatus?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

If my hon. friend will pay attention this time, I will read them again. Scientific supplies and field equipment: under that head is included an amount for the purchase of further insect cases. The specimens are kept in little shallow drawers three or four inches deep, and they are pinned down so that they cannot get away even after they are dead. There is provision also for

Supply-Agriculture

drawers and steel cabinets for the national collection and divisional work in the collection of insects. If my hon. friend knows of any better way of disposing of these little creatures I shall be glad to have his suggestions.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

How much is to be spent on the purchase of these receptacles for new insects?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

That will depend on the invasions to which we are subjected during the year.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

That is all very well, but I understand that this vote is for the purposes of inside work. How much of this vote is for receptacles?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

It is very hard to divide the amount any more minutely than I (have done, except to say that a certain amount of microscopic work is to be carried out.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

My hon. friend seems determined to give me no information at all. I am asking how this $5,000 is made up. So far he has indicated that there are two items, first, the purchase of trays in which the insects are put, and, secondly, microscopical plant or instruments. If he cannot tell us how much he intends to spend on receptacles, will he tell us how much he intends to spend on microscopes?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

This work is fluctuating in its character and we have to be prepared' for contingencies. We cannot tell anything more about the insect invasions than we can about the crop. A warm, early spring usually brings about an invasion of grasshoppers, for instance, especially if there is no frost to destroy the eggs or the young midgets. So I cannot say exactly how much we will spend, though I can give a rough estimate if that is desired.

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April 4, 1924