April 4, 1924

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

My hon. friend has

given us some very valuable information, of which his last statement is, I presume, the most valuable. He declines to answer any questions about eggs. I challenge him to deny that there is a strong agitation in British Columbia at the present time with reference to the importation of eggs from the United States, and that editorials have been published in practically all the papers out there regarding that subject. I still maintain what I said previously in regard to the importation of dairy products: it is taking place on quite an extensive scale. If the minister cannot give any information and wants to put the item through to-night, then I would like to deal with some other questions.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I will bring down the information regarding the importation of dairy products into British Columbia on the vote under which the other matters referred to will be brought up, that with respect to the representative in Great Britain. That will bring all these things up.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

I would like to get

the imports into British Columbia, and the exports, and the same in regard to the other provinces.

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LIB
CON

Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

Is there any cooperation between the departments of dairying in the provinces and the federal government department, and is there any overlapping? For example, is there any cooperation as to the results obtained in the dairying schools, the one at Kingston, for instance and the one in western Ontario? Have they any connection with what the federal people are doing?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

There is substantially no overlapping, because the duties of the respective governments are well defined. I have already explained that the provinces deal more particularly with the matter of manufacturing, the control of the quality of cream, the sanitary conditions of the factories, and so on, while the Dominion deals more particularly with grading and marketing. In addition to that, representatives from the provinces attend our conferences and on those occasions there is an exchange of views.

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CON

Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

Is there any cooperation between the federal government and the provincial governments in regard to the quality? Is there any co-operation in the matter of these dairy schools, or is it just a matter of straight cleavage between the departments carrying on these different activities?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

There is as much

co-operation as is possible where there are two separate and distinct spheres of activity.

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CON

Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

That is exactly

what I would like to get at. It looks as if we were wasting a lot of money. We are putting millions out here and millions are being spent in the provinces, the idea being to attain one object, namely, the improvement of the quality of the article we produce. Is there no parallel in these dairying matters?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Carried.

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CON

Arthur Edward Ross

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ROSS (Kingston):

Is there no information? Is it just a case of what we have heard all the afternoon that there are two separate lines of work?

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CON

Simon Fraser Tolmie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TOLMIE:

If the minister is going

to produce those figures, would he be kind enough to include the shipments of fresh butter to France? In addition to that, what has been the result of the shipments of butter to the Old Country by way of the Pacific coast and the Panama canal?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I shall be glad to produce that.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

What has been done,

if anything, to take the place of the assistance which was given to dairying under the Agricultural Instruction Act? I notice that the estimate for dairying this year is the same as last year. So no addition has been made by reason of the fact that assistance under the Agricultural Instruction Act has been stopped.

Supply-Agriculture

I note in a report on the Agricultural Instruction Act for 1921-22, issued by the department, that for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1922, specific reference is made to amounts paid by the Dominion government under the act to assist dairying in some of the provinces. I understood from the minister that it was not so much the grading of butter which was material at present, in order to get us a better market, as the improvement of the quality of the butter, and I presume that the assistance given under the Agricultural Instruction Act was to assist in getting a better quality of butter. I notice that for the year mentioned there is an item for British Columbia, dairying, educational work in cheese and butter, $5,000; Manitoba, dairying, $6,000; New Brunswick, dairying, $4,100; Saskatchewan, dairying, $6,000; Nova Scotia, dairying, $6,000; British Columbia, dairying and cow testing, $9,000; that is all for that one year. I have not ascertained what amount was granted to Ontario, but there no doubt was some assistance given to dairying in that province. The items I have read make a total, I think, of $36,100 which the Dominion contributed that year towards assisting dairying and educating the farmer in dairying, and what I ask the minister is, what has been substituted for that assistance? Or has the Dominion decided to discontinue altogether the assistance which was covered by items such as I have mentioned?

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

Mr. Chairman, there are

only six Conservatives members in the House. Is that sufficient to carry on business?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I have the assistance allocated to the respective provinces here, and the figures agree with what my hon. friend has read. I understood him to ask what are we substituting for that. From the estimates that have already been brought down in the western provinces I gather that they are taking up this work. I notice that the Saskatchewan legislature voted something like $54,000 for this work the other day, whereas formerly they got something like $80,000, so I presume they have dropped some of what might be called the secondary activities in which they were being assisted by the Dominion government under the Agricultural Instruction Act, and the ,more important features of the work they are carrying on to the extent of something like $50,000, speaking from memory. I happened to see the estimate in the western press the other day, so it would seem that the tendency of the provinces is to take up this burden and carry on the more important features of the work.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

Is the minister referring to dairying?

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LIB

April 4, 1924